Ole Miss History department mostly biased ?

[THOTH]

If one doesn't believe that our nation's history departments are all sold out to political correctness over truth...then just look at the OM fculty. Maybe not all of the faculty, but certainly most have agendas.
Pretty much they only write about racism, class struggle, and sexism....at least concerning American history.
Of the books published and listed on their web-site...at least 19 deal with racism or sexism.
Thomas Jefferson and George Washington might very well be banned from visiting Ole Miss today. Karl Marx would be an honored faculty member perhaps.
I hope I'm wrong !

This post was edited on 4/22 12:19 PM by THOTH
This post was edited on 4/22 12:20 PM by THOTH

 

[Rebel Anchor]

I would have to agree, most college profs are on the left in liberal arts colleges

 

[THOTH]

It concerns me

What has happened to American history ?

 

[olemissrebels73]

PC liberal garbage at best. UM sold it's soul to the Gov's Liberal garbage since 1962 and the results are, zero national championships in any sport, traditions destroyed, and more divided now then when the civil rights movement era started. Wonderful leftwing school we have now.

 

[THOTH]

The objective appears to be to dumb us all down so as to make gullible *obedient* Orwellian sheep. In politically correct history, the government is always comes out as the hero. In the Civil War, let's not speak of the federal government's abuse of the Constitution, NO...let's preach against slavery. The fact that the 13th Amendment was passed and was the definitive end of slavery, that's an insignificant fact. No No let's harp repeatedly that slavery existed 150 years ago. Yeah, it WAS 150 years ago, but that doesn't matter.
Let's not speak of the Federal government burning Jackson, or starving Vicksburg.

 

[newwavedave]

Originally posted by olemissrebels73:
PC liberal garbage at best. UM sold it's soul to the Gov's Liberal garbage since 1962 and the results are, zero national championships in any sport, traditions destroyed, and more divided now then when the civil rights movement era started. Wonderful leftwing school we have now.

Even assuming what you say concerning the school is true, it has nothing to do with sports.

 

[newwavedave]

Originally posted by THOTH:
If one doesn't believe that our nation's history departments are all sold out to political correctness over truth...then just look at the OM fculty. Maybe not all of the faculty, but certainly most have agendas.
Pretty much they only write about racism, class struggle, and sexism....at least concerning American history.
Of the books published and listed on their web-site...at least 19 deal with racism or sexism.
Thomas Jefferson and George Washington might very well be banned from visiting Ole Miss today. Karl Marx would be an honored faculty member perhaps.
I hope I'm wrong !

This post was edited on 4/22 12:19 PM by THOTH
This post was edited on 4/22 12:20 PM by THOTH

Did you have a History degree from Ole Miss or take any history classes?

 

[olemissrebels73]

Even assuming what you say concerning the school is true, it has nothing to do with sports.

I guess the Giant Rebel Flag the players use to run under to the field, Rebel flags in the stands, Dixie, Colonel Reb Mascot, etc,etc. was banned due to the Republicans? NewLiberalDave.....nice try, but you stick out like a sore liberal thumb.

 

[newwavedave]

Originally posted by olemissrebels73:


Even assuming what you say concerning the school is true, it has nothing to do with sports.

I guess the Giant Rebel Flag the players use to run under to the field, Rebel flags in the stands, Dixie, Colonel Reb Mascot, etc,etc. was banned due to the Republicans? NewLiberalDave.....nice try, but you stick out like a sore liberal thumb.

Your response again proves you don't have two degrees from Ole Miss.....you can't even understand basic points.

Even if we assume what you say about politics in Mississippi post-1962 is correct, it still has nothing to do with results in athletic events. Why you would even connect the two is bizarre. If anything, the "lost cause" culture of Ole Miss has harmed its reputation nationally and with perspective recruits....but only anecdotal proof of that exists.

 

[olemissrebels73]

When we won three national championships we had all white players, now 80% of most of our teams are minority and we haven't came CLOSE to a national championship. YOUR cause for CHANGE hasn't done anything, but destroy UM. I know several black people who agree/disagree with me. So save the RACIST crap comments. My point is this, minorities will come to UM regardless of colonel reb, dixie, etc. and the ones who don't want to attend can go somewhere else.

 

[newwavedave]

Originally posted by olemissrebels73:
When we won three national championships we had all white players, now 80% of most of our teams are minority and we haven't came CLOSE to a national championship. YOUR cause for CHANGE hasn't done anything, but destroy UM. I know several black people who agree/disagree with me. So save the RACIST crap comments. My point is this, minorities will come to UM regardless of colonel reb, dixie, etc. and the ones who don't want to attend can go somewhere else.

How you conjure up the terms "your change" and "racism" is beyond me. You have no real interest in discussing any of these subjects.

 

[olemissrebels73]

Typical answer from a typical liberal.

 

[newwavedave]

Hmm...its evident you can't discuss any of these issues....the only tactic you have in your bag of tricks are insults and name calling...sort of like a ten year old kid that doesn't get enough attention.

I'm all for Ole Miss growing its fan base beyond those that have graduated from the university, but you are the type of "sidewalk alumni" that has giving our school a bad name.

 

[olemissrebels73]

Whatever you call me, just don't call me a left-wing liberal tard like yourself.

When I attended UM 90% of the faculty was democrat. Democrats then are basically the Republican Conservatives of today.

I can discuss whatever you or others want to. I just don't sugar coat my opinions.

 

[THOTH]

"Did you have a History degree from Ole Miss or take any history classes? "


Nope, i gess i just one of em ow boys from possum haller. don't know nutt'n about nutt'n. one of em ole dag-guming educations is way obber my dag-gum ole hade.
you rite, i ain't got no rite to no opinions.

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[newwavedave]

Originally posted by THOTH:
"Did you have a History degree from Ole Miss or take any history classes? "


Nope, i gess i just one of em ow boys from possum haller. don't know nutt'n about nutt'n. one of em ole dag-guming educations is way obber my dag-gum ole hade.
you rite, i ain't got no rite to no opinions.

This post was edited on 5/5 2:47 PM by THOTH

Well, it certainly is relevant to whether or not your opinion on OM history is based on first hand experience and facts. If you want to take it as an attack that is your fault. It was a question and based on your "non answer", I think I know what the answer is.

Next question, where and in what did you get your degree?

 

[THOTH]

Where I attended school and what I studied are none of anyone's business.
My original point is not to single out Ole Miss, but to use it as an example of how left-wingers seem to be disproportionately represented on college campuses.
How many African-America Studies specialist does a university need?
You see, you know I'm correct, so since one can't debunk my assertions, one will attempt to dis-credit me. Sorry....i'm not taking the bait.

 

[newwavedave]

Originally posted by THOTH:
Where I attended school and what I studied are none of anyone's business.
My original point is not to single out Ole Miss, but to use it as an example of how left-wingers seem to be disproportionately represented on college campuses.
How many African-America Studies specialist does a university need?
You see, you know I'm correct, so since one can't debunk my assertions, one will attempt to dis-credit me. Sorry....i'm not taking the bait.

Looking at the original subject title and post, I think its fair to say that your question is directly related to the Ole Miss history department. So, I asked what is your first hand experience with the department? Apparently you have none. So, do you have a history degree from any school? Again, a relevant question that you avoid b/c you probably don't have a history degree from any school.

My questions were not intended to be an attack, but rather a means in which to evaluate your opinion. I have a history degree from OM and have a first hand perspective. You apparently looked at a list of books, didn't read them, then formed a conclusion that you can't sustain even if correct.

I've given you the chance to support your assertion for a few weeks now, but all you have done is not respond. You're not qualified to comment on the OM history department and you've demonstrated that with just about every post on this thread.

 

[newwavedave]

Originally posted by THOTH:
If one doesn't believe that our nation's history departments are all sold out to political correctness over truth...then just look at the OM fculty. Maybe not all of the faculty, but certainly most have agendas.
Pretty much they only write about racism, class struggle, and sexism....at least concerning American history.
Of the books published and listed on their web-site...at least 19 deal with racism or sexism.
Thomas Jefferson and George Washington might very well be banned from visiting Ole Miss today. Karl Marx would be an honored faculty member perhaps.
I hope I'm wrong !

This post was edited on 4/22 12:19 PM by THOTH
This post was edited on 4/22 12:20 PM by THOTH

What experience is your post based on? If none, just say so. I found the faculty at OM to be very moderate, discerning, and fair. The material was not presented with a slant, which is the correct way to present facts.

 

[THOTH]

So is the Civil War presented in a fair and objective manner, or is the neo-abolitionist side of the argument given precedent ?
Is Mississippi's side told...the Constitutional side of the war?
No, I don't know these professors, but the web-site appears to be largely one sided.
I don't see many books written about the horrors of war, but the horrors of slavery seems to be a redundancy. There was one book listed dealing with the Civil War, but 6 dealing with racism.
There was one Civil War specialist listed on the faculty, but 8 that specialize in race relations.
Just a thought !

 

[newwavedave]

John Neff, Ted Ownby, Doug Sullivan-Gonzalez....very fair on a variety of issues. I remember some of the issues you discuss in literature classes....those classes were usually taught be professors unsympathetic to understanding people/cultures from regionals they were not from.

 

[THOTH]

Good enough for me...thanks.

 

[UMOCREB]

Originally posted by THOTH:
The objective appears to be to dumb us all down so as to make gullible *obedient* Orwellian sheep. In politically correct history, the government is always comes out as the hero. In the Civil War, let's not speak of the federal government's abuse of the Constitution, NO...let's preach against slavery. The fact that the 13th Amendment was passed and was the definitive end of slavery, that's an insignificant fact. No No let's harp repeatedly that slavery existed 150 years ago. Yeah, it WAS 150 years ago, but that doesn't matter.
Let's not speak of the Federal government burning Jackson, or starving Vicksburg.

I have to agree. My parents were both college professors. My sister is a retird college professor. Iwas in a sophomore english class, when the professor asked the class, "When Shakespeare wrote 'Shall I compare thee to a summer's night' to man, "what was going on?" I raised my hand and said because Willy was a c/s( saying it out). He told me to get out and leave his class. The professor was the English Department Head, I was an English major. I had to beg to be allowed back in the class. I had known before but this just affirmed my knowing that liberals are very close minded and just as bigotted as "consrvatives " are made out to be. I have never trusted a liberal to believe what they say. They will tell you what is expedinet for them at that time with no thought of the consequences. Mississippi has sold out to the revionist liberals, and that is why we are where we are. NO priciples to stand up for or believe in

 

[THOTH]

It is tragic that we can't study history to learn from it. Too often It now only used for propaganda by many. I was looking at the outline of a Mississippi history course,... racism, sexism, more racism. It appears that students must write papers on what a mud-hole of a state this is.
I suppose that if a student is proud to be from Mississippi that they might just fail "Mississippi History" .

 

[drreb]

Both my parents had degrees from Ole Miss. I have a degree from Ole Miss. My two sone have dgress from Ole Miss. To say that the university has changed a great deal since the 60`s is a understatement. I enjoy reading history and often get involved in the study of certain eras of human history. When by boys wre there, I looked into one of their "University Studies" books and was totally amazed. The book was written by the professor who taught the class and they were required to buy it. It was a total joke! I actually drove to Oxford and discussed the book with the author(who didn`t attend Ole Miss) to find out where he obtained his subject matter.....he wouldn`t say. When confronted by someone who was there at the time of many of his errors, he simply stated that I was mistaken and his account was correct. Stupidity, arrogance, and apathy were identifiable traits of this gentleman. One does not have to attend a school to write an accurate history of the school, but maybe listening to transcipts from old CBS tapes may not be good research. He gave tests and gave grades based on a book that was for the most part in total error about much of the school`s history. When asked why he wouldn`t re do what ever research he had done to correct these issues, he simply said that he didn`t have to...tenue, you know! Sad, very sad.
History is a great subject and one can learn much from our history....if the facts are correct.

 

[THOTH]

The point could also be made that CBS had no intention to be fair & balanced to Ole Miss or Mississippi.
I think we all can agree that the James Meredith melee was an embarrassment to the school, but should Ole Miss be judged soley on events of 1962 ?
There were some anti-war students killed at Kent State in 1970, but does the media blackmail Ohio ? After-all it was Ohio National guard who fired the shots.
In both 1965 and 1992, Los Angles experienced riots. The state of California is not subjected to the such selective indignation that Mississippi has.
This post was edited on 2/24 10:52 AM by THOTH