bad year for Obama & Democrats ?

[THOTH]

In a little over a month, Americans go to the polls and things are looking grim for the Democrats. Looks as if Obama will have less friends in Washington next year. Rights now the projections are that the House will be taken by the Republicans. Nancy Pelosi will relinquish the speakers position and a Republican will replace her.
In the Senate, the Democrats are expected to lose a seat in Pennsylvania ( Arlen Specter's), North Dakota, Indiana, Colorado, and Arkansas, with Feingold of Wisconsin, McMurry of Washington, Reid of Nevada, and Boxer of California in "toss up" races. Plus Obama's old seat in Illinois is also a toss-up. No seat currently held by the GOP seems likely to change over. The US Senate will likely be close to 50/50.

 

[OaklandReb]

I see you've drank a wee bit much kool aid from Faux News, THOTH.

The Dems will lose the House, that I concur with.
The Senate will be retained by the Dems though.

The rednecks in Arkansas may well elect a ReTealican, but history shows that historically solidly (D).
Reid will not lose his seat, his oppo fell down the retarded tree and hit every limb on her way down. If the constituency of Nevada elects Angle, they may as well move to Mars. Reid is an incompetent, pompous fool, but Angle is criminally insane and amazingly hypocritical. I mean seriously, the whole recession was Reid's fault? LOL

I expect significant gains by the Repubbies in the Senate, but it will not be 50/50 as you seem to think.
People in the country are forgetful, but I doubt many will forget the dumbarse tax cuts that the War Criminal Prez #43 enacted that expedited the deficit that this country has now.

 

[THOTH]

At least I attempt to be somewhat classy about it.
Calling people "rednecks" is a epithet.

 

[drreb]

Just love the dems replies showing vast knowledge of truth. "Criminally insane", "war criminal", people from mars. Yet the same people go off the deep end when anyone brings up birthplaces or religeon of certain people in high office. "War criminal"....please. Blaming past presidents for idiotic moves by the present holder of the office is really getting old and most US citizens have caught on to the dem`s plot.

 

[OaklandReb]

I just hate Arkansas. Can't help it THOTH!

As for Class, it's entirely your choice if you want to bend over and take it from the Repubs again. They are the party that ran up this country's deficit to $10,024,724,896,912.49. (That's a gov't link I've provided for you at the bottom.)

I would rather invest in this country, rather than spend all of our tax money on other countries the wars that we decided to cause.

'Tis a choice, not doubt about it.
Both you and the Doc have quite the short-term memory it appears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExzINsaq4LI&feature=player_embedded

Figures supporting $10,024,724,896,912.49 #

 

[THOTH]

The point isn't to gloat over perspective Republican gains, but notice how American politics revolves in cycles. It is amazing how quickly that cycle turns. Just 2 shorts years ago, the voters elected an under-qualified left of center Democrat to the White House, and at the same time butchered the GOP in the Senate and House. It so seemed that the USA had taken a permanent left turn by establishing a democratically elected socialist paraym for the 21'st century.
Now the climate seems to have almost abandoned Obama.
Why are voters so Capricious?

My best guess is that Americans aren't satisfied with either political party and tend to vote the perceived party of power out. In 1992 Americans became weary of Bush Sr's foreign policy emphasis and voted the GOP out. Much like Richard the Lionhearted concentrating all his energies on crusades, Bush did care more about the Middle East than America. Yet in 1994, this cycle turned on Bill Clinton. In 1996 Bob Dole failed to energize the Republican base, and Clinton won a second term. In 2000 Americans became tired of the Democrats and elected Bush II. Republicans begun to lose seats in congress. John Kerry in 2004 failed to convince the voters that he was anything but status quo, Bush won a second term behind his base. In 2008 Americans were weary of Republicans....again holy crusades and other issues similar to 92, and elected Democrats in protest of the GOP. Now the cycle has turned again.
Both parties could learn some lessons....

...We don't REALLY like Democrats or Republicans. We elect the outsiders.
... Just because we elect a candidate it doesn't mean we necessarily agree with the party's agendas. We just despise the other guy's agenda a bit more.
... partisanship is despicable. We elect these people represent our concerns, not the Republican or Democratic parties. Don't vote the party line !!
... our nation will always have liberals and conservatives, and whoever wins an election is whoever can get "their people" out to vote. Complacency of their voter base was a factor in the following losing...... Ford (76), Cater (80), Mondale ( 84), Dukakis (88), Bush I (92), Dole ( 96), Gore (00), Kerry(04), and McCain(08). Their opponents more or less captured the attention of their base.

 

[drreb]

I`m not supporting any party line on the situation in the USA today. SOMEBODY had better look at the spending and get it stopped. With liabilities at $133 trillion we have no way to repay our debtors...no way. All of the politicos just whistle through the graveyard and hope the taxpayers won`t notice the stupid, bungling, idiotic spending that just goes on and on. There WILL be an end to the recklessness but I`m aftraid it isn`t going to be pretty.

 

[THOTH]

Those who vote for Democrats actually think their party is the party of peace.

World War I.... Woodrow Wilson was president.
World War II.... Roosevelt and Truman
Korean War.... Truman
Vietnam.... Kennedy and Johnson
Somalia.... Clinton
Bosnia.... Clinton
Iraq..... troops still occupy under Obama,
Afghanistan troops still occupy under Obama
When Bush decided to invade Afghanistan & Iraq he had bipartisan support, meaning prominent Democrats FAVORED invasion in both instances.

 

[OaklandReb]

@Both of THOTH's recent posts:
(Part 1) I can agree wholeheartedly that more often than not, we do vote in whomever we are less pissed with.

(Part 2) Although your list is correct, you very noticeably go to great lengths to avoid Republican wars/interventions/etc. To balance that out, I will help you out:

1. Lebanon Crisis of 1958 - (R) Pres. Ike
2. Grenada (not MS either)- (R) Reagan
3. Beirut - (R) Reagan
4. Panama - (R) Bush 41
5. 1st Gulf War - (R) Bush 41
6. Philippines (2002) - (R) Bush 43
7. 2nd Gulf War - (R) Bush 43
8 T.W.A.T. (The War Against Terrorism) - (R) Bush 43


- * Interestingly enough, in your post THOTH, you neglect to point out that most of the Democratic Presidents up until Vietnam would be considered modern-day Republicans. (And we both know why that is.

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[OaklandReb]

@ Doc: I forsee a major world-wide currency crisis in about a year or so. Soros seems to agree: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/8052729/George-Soros-warns-China-of-global-currency-war.html

Thanks in great part to the 43rd President whose arse has been wise to keep his trap shut since leaving office, the Chinese own nearly $1 trillion of our debt. The likes of this crisis will have not ever been seen before. I am hoping that military forces will not be used, but it would not surprise me in the least if it did come to that. If you truly do not trust either party, perhaps it would be wise not to side with them every time we discuss politics?

 

[THOTH]

Oh no OaklandReb, I DON'T like Republican chicken hawks either.

 

[drreb]

Oakland...Most of the time I have to go with the lesser of two evils. Last presidential election was between dumb and dumber, sorry if dumber actually won but I suspect things would not be much, if any, better under dumb. I just finished reading "Obama`s War" last night and this admin`s reasoning on the Afgan war is nothing less than inept and political idiocy! Their concept of and influence on the American economy is just as inept.

 

[OaklandReb]

@Doc: Thing is mate, "dumb" is subjective.
McCain can be thought of as brilliant in foreign policy (to some), yet "dumb" on economic solutions (nothing). Likewise, Bambi Obama can be thought of as brilliant in his choices for his supporting cast (Clinton being the anchor of his team and the heart of this administration, seeing as how Barack looks lost half the damn time.) yet "dumb" foreign policy-wise.

I cast my ballot for Dr. Ron Paul last election. Neither Bambi nor Methuselah got my vote last Presidential go-round. My way of voting is through evaluation. Foreign policy tops my list of must-haves for my vote. Coming in a close second is domestic agenda(s).

In terms of a report card thus far, I would give Obama the following.

*Foreign policy- D

* Domestic Agenda- B+ (does not include economic stimulus)

* Economic agenda- C- (Pork from Stimulus hurt this grade)

* Foreign Relations- F (I hated former British PM Gordon Brown, but the arrogance Obama showed to both Gordon Brown and present-day British PM David Cameron totally sunk this grade. Not to mention his inaction on North Korea and the State-sanctioned terrorism of Israel against the Palestinians.

* Handling of Big Businesses- C- (He needed to hit these buggers in the testicles to prevent what happened in '08 from happening again, yet seems to have been bought out by them.)


I agree with you on the Afghan policy Doc. It is naught but carrying-on Bush 43's Afghan policy. We need to get the hell out of there and let those pre-historic buggers rot.

 

[THOTH]

That day has arrived !! Election time is here.
According to the "experts"...the Republicans will definitely take the US house. They need 39 seats and are predicted to get 55. Big change !
On the senate it looks to be maybe 8 seats...
Blanch Lincoln in Arkansas seems to on the way out ( 1 )
North Dakota will go Republican ( 2)
Indiana will elect a GOP ( 3)
Wisconsin likely will vote Feingold out ( 4)
The Republicans are favored in Colorado ( 5)
Illinois ( 6) Obama's old seat, Nevada ( 7) Goodbye Harry Reid
and Pennsylvania (8) Arlen Spector's seat
Also the GOP is within striking distance in Washington(9) and West Virgina (10) Byrd's seat.
If the Republicans run the table in these close races...that's the 10 seats needed. If the Democrats win the close ones then GOP + 4.

 

[OaklandReb]

The Repubs have taken the House, while the Dems retain the Senate.

I have to say, I am quite disappointed in the MS 1st Congressional District. (District I am in, obviously) We have elected a crook whose pay has increased by 62% since 2004. My heart goes out to those currently attending our university.They will pay, and pay much more now that Nunnelee is the representative.

Congrats the winners.

 

[THOTH]

I thought Childers was doing a good job.....Same here in the 4th district...I liked Gene Taylor who has been the representative since the late 80's and seemed to have represented the state well. This guy Palazzo ran almost 100% negative campaign.

It was all about partisan politics.