Are you more concerned with your own personal agenda or what's best for our university in the long run?
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Simple question for the colonel supporters
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Show me one instance where we lost a recruit because of Col. Rebel and I might agree with you more.
Are you more concerned with appeasing others
and bowing to the will of the PC no matter how unfounded and ridiculous their whims, or would you maintain our traditions, honor our past, remain true to ourselves, keep our self respect and dignity, while not kowtowing to outsiders who wish to implement their own misguided "morals" and standards on us?
see I can ask baited ? as well
and bowing to the will of the PC no matter how unfounded and ridiculous their whims, or would you maintain our traditions, honor our past, remain true to ourselves, keep our self respect and dignity, while not kowtowing to outsiders who wish to implement their own misguided "morals" and standards on us?
see I can ask baited ? as well
grovedreamin are you ready for rebels to be gone too. I think what people most worry about is what will be next? Id be happy if they changed the Col to something like what is on this board but dont think with the history behind the university it would make much difference would still be used against us.
I Think We Need to....
Clarify certain terms that get used interchangeably quite often here. In my mind there's a difference between a prospect and a recruit..
A prospect is a kid you hope to sign to a letter of intent.
A recruit is a kid who has signed a letter of intent..
I doubt if a recruit is going to decide not to attend Ole Miss because of Col. Rebel. Logic suggests that a recruit is fully aware of what the situation is at OM, whereas a prospect may not be as informed.
I know of one prospect that never considered OM on account of the symbols. That was high school basketball star Chris Jackson of Gulfport. Jackson signed with LSU. Being a local, I've heard stories that Jackson would simply toss unopened mail from OM in the garbage can.
Clarify certain terms that get used interchangeably quite often here. In my mind there's a difference between a prospect and a recruit..
A prospect is a kid you hope to sign to a letter of intent.
A recruit is a kid who has signed a letter of intent..
I doubt if a recruit is going to decide not to attend Ole Miss because of Col. Rebel. Logic suggests that a recruit is fully aware of what the situation is at OM, whereas a prospect may not be as informed.
I know of one prospect that never considered OM on account of the symbols. That was high school basketball star Chris Jackson of Gulfport. Jackson signed with LSU. Being a local, I've heard stories that Jackson would simply toss unopened mail from OM in the garbage can.
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One of pig prathers friends posted on this very board a few weeks ago he didn't consider us for these very issues...keep your head in the sand and keep thinking it doesn't hurt us...I'll beore specific in my question since someone thinks it's a baited one: do you believe having the colonel is beneficial to the university in the long run? As simple a question as it gets...if you answer yes then you need your head examined...if you answer no then clearly it's a personal agenda and your concern isn't with the betterment of our university...
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One of pig prathers friends posted on this very board a few weeks ago he didn't consider us for these very issues...keep your head in the sand and keep thinking it doesn't hurt us...I'll beore specific in my question since someone thinks it's a baited one: do you believe having the colonel is beneficial to the university in the long run? As simple a question as it gets...if you answer yes then you need your head examined...if you answer no then clearly it's a personal agenda and your concern isn't with the betterment of our university...
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Grove my question was if rebels and ole miss are the next to go is that alright with you?
Grove my question was if rebels and ole miss are the next to go is that alright with you?
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you know Pig Prather made a 5 on the Wonderlic, him going to MSU instead of Ole Miss is a blessing
so based on that maybe having the basic reasoning skills not to be so influenced in your decision on where to attend college by the mascot is a "weeding out" factor that does benefit the university
also I could argue that perhaps Col. Rebel doesn't help, but neither will a black bear or whatever else, at least not to any extent to sell your identity
if you don't care about Ole Miss, Rebels, Col. Rebel, or anything but signing the #1 class and winning championships no matter the cost, might I suggest simply pretending we changed locations, colors, and mascots to Tuscalooser and becoming an Alabama fan
you know Pig Prather made a 5 on the Wonderlic, him going to MSU instead of Ole Miss is a blessing
so based on that maybe having the basic reasoning skills not to be so influenced in your decision on where to attend college by the mascot is a "weeding out" factor that does benefit the university
also I could argue that perhaps Col. Rebel doesn't help, but neither will a black bear or whatever else, at least not to any extent to sell your identity
if you don't care about Ole Miss, Rebels, Col. Rebel, or anything but signing the #1 class and winning championships no matter the cost, might I suggest simply pretending we changed locations, colors, and mascots to Tuscalooser and becoming an Alabama fan
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I don't think that will happen but I wouldn't loose a whole lot of sleep over it...the university is so much more to me than a few words and offensive/outdated symbols...so much of my experience there remains with me other than any of this trivial bs...I'd be curious to know how many supporters actually attended ole miss if they cling to those things so strongly...
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I don't think that will happen but I wouldn't loose a whole lot of sleep over it...the university is so much more to me than a few words and offensive/outdated symbols...so much of my experience there remains with me other than any of this trivial bs...I'd be curious to know how many supporters actually attended ole miss if they cling to those things so strongly...
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Question for you
Are you more concerned with perception or reality?
Did you know that according to the 1830 federal census, there were 3,777 Black slave owners in the South? 80 percent of Black slave owners that owned 10 or more slaves lived in either Louisiana or South Carolina.
Now, you may ask, what does that have to do with anything? It's perception vs reality. The falsehood that someone that is White and from the South would automatically be a slave owner really is offensive to me, as nobody in my family ever owned a slave. Yet, many people want to try to push that perception as being a fact, when it, in itself, is a bigoted viewpoint.
However, I will say this - getting rid of Colonel Rebel on the sidelines was a good move. I didn't always believe that until I read some of the Markeeva's posts on the subject. And that's fine - the misconception that because he was White and from the South automatically made him a slave owner was offensive to many African Americans, and since it hurt the University, it needed to go away.
At the same time, I don't believe in support inaccurate views and just accepting a falsehood as reality. But, I believe in educating people more than allowing them to believe a lie.
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Are you more concerned with perception or reality?
Did you know that according to the 1830 federal census, there were 3,777 Black slave owners in the South? 80 percent of Black slave owners that owned 10 or more slaves lived in either Louisiana or South Carolina.
Now, you may ask, what does that have to do with anything? It's perception vs reality. The falsehood that someone that is White and from the South would automatically be a slave owner really is offensive to me, as nobody in my family ever owned a slave. Yet, many people want to try to push that perception as being a fact, when it, in itself, is a bigoted viewpoint.
However, I will say this - getting rid of Colonel Rebel on the sidelines was a good move. I didn't always believe that until I read some of the Markeeva's posts on the subject. And that's fine - the misconception that because he was White and from the South automatically made him a slave owner was offensive to many African Americans, and since it hurt the University, it needed to go away.
At the same time, I don't believe in support inaccurate views and just accepting a falsehood as reality. But, I believe in educating people more than allowing them to believe a lie.
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Re: Question for you
I think the big misconception is that if we get rid of rebels and ole miss kids will want to come here but i have to believe that ole nick saban could in two seconds tell a kid hey they changed their name to hide the fact that they have a racist past but kid you gotta know you can change the name but they are still the same racist people they were before the change.
I think the big misconception is that if we get rid of rebels and ole miss kids will want to come here but i have to believe that ole nick saban could in two seconds tell a kid hey they changed their name to hide the fact that they have a racist past but kid you gotta know you can change the name but they are still the same racist people they were before the change.
Rocket I am not going to give you names - but trust me I worked in our FOOTBALL recuriting office for almost four years and it did happen in the 80's/90's. Mainly to LSU and Bamer was the worst about how they recruited against us.
It is time to move forward.
It is time to move forward.
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so, I had a close neighbor who was Black and he hated LSU, and everytime he got something in the mail from LSU, he threw it in the trash can...so what does that prove?
Ok with me if we do not bring ColReb back, but we damn well better not get rid of "Ole Miss" or Rebels...
We are not ever going to get every black kid we want or white kid we want either....and neither is LSU or anyone else...get over it.
so, I had a close neighbor who was Black and he hated LSU, and everytime he got something in the mail from LSU, he threw it in the trash can...so what does that prove?
Ok with me if we do not bring ColReb back, but we damn well better not get rid of "Ole Miss" or Rebels...
We are not ever going to get every black kid we want or white kid we want either....and neither is LSU or anyone else...get over it.
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so, he did not consider Bama or LSU or tenn either....he signed with STate. Big deal, we are not going to get them all if we are the Rebels or the anteaters...or whatever the hell we are. Grow up and think. PC thinking is a strong delusion and belongs in a museum along with every white liberal in the USA....
so, he did not consider Bama or LSU or tenn either....he signed with STate. Big deal, we are not going to get them all if we are the Rebels or the anteaters...or whatever the hell we are. Grow up and think. PC thinking is a strong delusion and belongs in a museum along with every white liberal in the USA....
Re: I've always wondered why PC is never discussed with respect
Because those schools are irrelevant, academically and athletically.
Because those schools are irrelevant, academically and athletically.
rktcityreb.. how in the world are u goin to find a documented instance on a recruit being affected get real! it has affected us,
Re: Question for you
You're acting like Ole Miss and Rebels are on the table to be removed...THEY ARE NOT and it's only fear mongering to say that they are "next".
Floppy footed Col. Reb arrived here in 1979. Prior to that, we had a Kappa Sig in a Confederate uniform on the field. When the change occurred in 1979, we didn't lose either the name Ole Miss or the nickname of Rebels. We're not going to lose them this time either.
You're acting like Ole Miss and Rebels are on the table to be removed...THEY ARE NOT and it's only fear mongering to say that they are "next".
Floppy footed Col. Reb arrived here in 1979. Prior to that, we had a Kappa Sig in a Confederate uniform on the field. When the change occurred in 1979, we didn't lose either the name Ole Miss or the nickname of Rebels. We're not going to lose them this time either.
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Sadly, I predict that will happen. That is the long range goal. Being done incrementally. I will tell everyone this in advance. The money will dry up, run out when that happens. The liberals can finance themselves at that point. Good luck.
Sadly, I predict that will happen. That is the long range goal. Being done incrementally. I will tell everyone this in advance. The money will dry up, run out when that happens. The liberals can finance themselves at that point. Good luck.
Re: I've always wondered why PC is never discussed with respect
The liberals don't want African Americans in college. The liberals control the education system. They deny adequate funding to inner city schools while the urban white schools get everything they want. Meanwhile the inner city kids go to schools where the doors are nearly falling of them. Then they raise the academic standards to levels so high that the inner city schools don't even offer the classes that they need to qualify for an athletic scholarship which for most is the only way out of the hood.
The liberals don't want African Americans in college. The liberals control the education system. They deny adequate funding to inner city schools while the urban white schools get everything they want. Meanwhile the inner city kids go to schools where the doors are nearly falling of them. Then they raise the academic standards to levels so high that the inner city schools don't even offer the classes that they need to qualify for an athletic scholarship which for most is the only way out of the hood.
LIBERALS!! LIBERALS!! THE GOVERNMENT!! THE GOVERNMENT!! PC!! PC!!
take off the tin foil hats fellas...obama and/or the liberals aint taking yer ammo, yer guns, yer rebels, or yer bibles...liberals cant finance themselves? really? the richest people in this country are "liberals"...the most educated people in this country are "liberals"...the most innovative and creative people in this country are "liberals"...some of you really need to get out of mississippi and alabama from time to time...on second though, just stay and dont ruin the rest of this great country....participating in this board should come with a warning label....
take off the tin foil hats fellas...obama and/or the liberals aint taking yer ammo, yer guns, yer rebels, or yer bibles...liberals cant finance themselves? really? the richest people in this country are "liberals"...the most educated people in this country are "liberals"...the most innovative and creative people in this country are "liberals"...some of you really need to get out of mississippi and alabama from time to time...on second though, just stay and dont ruin the rest of this great country....participating in this board should come with a warning label....
Any facts or proof to back up your claims about the "liberals" are you just throwing out there hoping it sticks like your idol, Olbermann does. For someone that "loves" Ole Miss, you sure are on a mission to change everything about the school and the fanbase. I'm glad that most Ole Miss don't share your pompous yet pathetic attitude.
I wasn't going to waste time on this since the result of the election was pretty obvious before it was voted on. I try, and it's hard at times, to look at both sides of the issue and that gets me through alot of things. But this symbol taking at Ole Miss has been going on for so long IMO I cannot see how anyone cannot see that it's going to continue until the name "Rebels" is gone. I can see where some of the symbols were offensive but I have serious doubts as to whether they really bothered people or if they just wanted to prove a point. I think vindictiveness took over a long time ago and has been the driving force for awhile now. It's easy to find offense in just about anything if you try hard enough but there's another issue at hand and I'm not necessarily talking about mascots. It seems to me that we no longer live in a country of free speech if it offends anyone else. The single worst word in American speech is what is now referred to as "the n word". I taught my children from day one to stay away from that one and now they've reached an age that they want to know why it's so common to use in one culture and not in another. A celebrity says the wrong thing and their careers over and why? Because there are so many people ready to jump on them and scream they are offended. I've been called some pretty bad names in my life and one isn't any worse than the other to me. And yes maybe the liberals are the rich ones I really don't know but I do know the ones who gave the the opportunity to become rich weren't liberals. Matter of fact the British called them Rebels ironically enough. I'm rambling but I guess my point is when will it reach a point that it's ok for me to say I don't want you to take anymore of the symbols that I have looked at throughout my life as Ole Miss football and nothing else. When can I do that and not be called racist which is the scarlett "R" in this country now? I work I pay taxes and I give what I can to my school. I have no proof of this but I'm guessing those who are causing all of this give no money to the school. Is there going to be a point at the end of all of this when we have our free speech back and it's ok to disagree about a mascot or a president without being a racist? I don't know what I'm getting at I just had to say something
sounds like grovedreamin has already made up his mind anyway. Why not tell us less enlightened,and clearly intelectaully inferior people what is right and wrong. $100 bucks says you grew up somewhere besides Misssissippi
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I'm an outsider(Florida State), but my wife's entire family(from Brookhaven) graduated from Ole Miss. FSU had the NCAA thing with the native American "mascot". We held our ground and came through it with a stronger bond to the Seminole tribe of Florida. My extended family sees it this way- The University who accepted all the ticket revenue, academic donations, and other grants over the last 30 years and never failed to have a hand out is now going to s%!t on them and all others who love the school with this kangaroo voting process. The current "mascot" is not part of a sinister neo-nazi plot to keep the KKK alive, it's just a tradition. When Miss.St hired Sly Croom, it was going to be the death of Ole Miss football because all the great black players would flock to Starkville to be coached by a black coach. How'd that work out? What NFL team is Pig Prather and his friend on? This has nothing to do with sports- If you want to get good players, start winning. If you build it they will come. This is a rearview mirror hindsight shot at past generations to appease guilt of the new, liberal southern gent. Sickening.
I'm an outsider(Florida State), but my wife's entire family(from Brookhaven) graduated from Ole Miss. FSU had the NCAA thing with the native American "mascot". We held our ground and came through it with a stronger bond to the Seminole tribe of Florida. My extended family sees it this way- The University who accepted all the ticket revenue, academic donations, and other grants over the last 30 years and never failed to have a hand out is now going to s%!t on them and all others who love the school with this kangaroo voting process. The current "mascot" is not part of a sinister neo-nazi plot to keep the KKK alive, it's just a tradition. When Miss.St hired Sly Croom, it was going to be the death of Ole Miss football because all the great black players would flock to Starkville to be coached by a black coach. How'd that work out? What NFL team is Pig Prather and his friend on? This has nothing to do with sports- If you want to get good players, start winning. If you build it they will come. This is a rearview mirror hindsight shot at past generations to appease guilt of the new, liberal southern gent. Sickening.
I have never understood the deep emotional committiment to the Colonel Reb as the University mascot. I don't think it has anything to do with being liberal or conservative or PC. It is an issue with the football program because opposing coaches use it as a negitive. Factually, Colonel Reb represents very little that is Ole Miss today. Ole Miss recently produced its 25th Rhodes Scholar. The Atlantic Monthly Magizine named the Ole Miss creative writing program in the top five in the nation. A Memphis family gave $500,000.00 to the rising Ole Miss Classics program. The list goes on. These are some of the things great Universities attempt to do. Having some poor soul dressed in a confederate army uniform running around saying "this is who we are" does not, in my opinion represent who we are today. It just doesn't. Unfortunely, symbols are important. Like it or not a confederate Colonel, does represent the values of the civil war some 230 years ago. Ole Miss today does not represent those values and most any student, alumni, adminsrator, and the state legislature will tell anyone who will listen that they do not. Thus, clinging to the symbol that does represent those values is more than just unproductive. Another thing I don't understand is why individuals be they alumni, donors, students think they have the right to tell the university not to change its mascot, landscaping, roof tile, ect. Those are policy matters that are solely the responsibility of the adminstration and legislature. There is nothing that requires the adminstration or the legislature to yield to any special interest group. I think the matter is closed and the decision made. If some group or person thinks otherwise I guess they could file a lawsuit. Whats done is done.
You know, I could give a rat`s posterior about exactly what/who the mascot is/isn`t....but I`ve just about had my fill of all this change just to be PC and all these crocodile tears about the racial "image" of the UM. Is there a Kwanza(sp) celebration at the University? Are most all the frats integrated? Is there a Black studies dept? Is there a White studies dept? I ask these questions because I think there should be one "University Of Mississippi" that is there for the students who want to attend. All these agendas pushed by special interests are counterproductive to the image of the university as a whole and project visions of divisions that only exist in the minds of people with too much time on their hands.
I am third generation Ole Miss and both my sons also graduated there(also in the M club). All this crap just makes me sick. One poster above stated that most alums don`t give as much as the average student pays in tuition....well I certainly have given more than that many times over simply because I believed the university was getting things done the way they should be done. No more! Until the university can again get back to educating the young people of our state, they can do without my help.
I am third generation Ole Miss and both my sons also graduated there(also in the M club). All this crap just makes me sick. One poster above stated that most alums don`t give as much as the average student pays in tuition....well I certainly have given more than that many times over simply because I believed the university was getting things done the way they should be done. No more! Until the university can again get back to educating the young people of our state, they can do without my help.
We used to as a people believe in the individual. Today we are promoting race and cultural studies above the individual. Culture is now the god. This is wrong. This war over mascots is something more than just mascots. Now a mascot has to be multicultural This way of seeing things is godless. It is no longer the individual who is important but the culture or the race. This is not the American way. There is something sinister and not right in the effort by some to do away with these traditional symbols.
It was just a mascot. But the politically correct multiculturalists have made this something more. And yes, it is something more than football. Football is not the most important thing in the world.
It was just a mascot. But the politically correct multiculturalists have made this something more. And yes, it is something more than football. Football is not the most important thing in the world.
I have posted this before but I will repeat - when I attended Ole Miss we didn't have a "Mascot". Blind Jim was as close to a mascot as we had. Colonel Rebel was the guy selected to escort Miss Ole Miss to the homecoming dance and appear at halftime of homecoming. He wore a Confederate uniform and it was the highest, social, honor earned that year. I don't mind "losing" Col. Reb. as a mascot but I'm deeply disappointed with the liberal direction our school has taken. If we aren't careful, all we will have is a very liberal faculty and a bunch of minority students or foreigners. The school has made progress in a number of areas, including academics, but it should not lose it's independence by joining the liberal movement going on in our colleges and universities.
Great post Ashlin.,that was very well thought.
However, I do think the Alumni should at least be heard and listened too. At least to some extent. We are all part of the Ole Miss movement, and we really need to come together on this.
I don't think we will lose the nickname rebels either. We can consider ourselves modern day Rebels who did things they said we couldn't. We could become one of the premier academic universities in the SEC and country. We could win tons of football games and Championships. Whatever is we all want we can do....
But, as a fan base(students/alumni/admin/t-shirt fans), we need to come together and support this school. It's ok to fight to keep the mascot, and it's ok to fight for it's removal, but when the dust settles and a decision is made.... WE ALL need to get behind it and make it the best G*D D*mned mascot in the land.
It's left up to us, and I hope those that have been donating keep doing so. This school and team NEED YOU!!!!!
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