You tell me which program is on the rise - UM or UT

[RebReb]

OLE MISS wins in 2014 ranked by prominence (roughly)
1) Alabama (12-2)
2) Boise State (12-2)
3) Mississippi State (10-3)
4) Memphis (10-3)
5) Texas A&M (8-5)
6) UL-Lafayette (9-4)
7) Tennessee (7-6) on a 34-3 beatdown
8) Vanderbilt (3-9)
9) Presbyterian (6-5)

TENNESSEE wins in 2014 ranked by prominence (roughly)
1) South Carolina (7-6) (in OT)
2) Iowa (7-6)
3) Utah State (10-4)
4) Arkansas State (7-6)
5) Kentucky (5-7)
6) Vandy (3-9)
7) Chattanooga (10-4)

So, Tennessee WAS good back when Phil Fulmer coached, but it is obvious that Tennessee is just not very good now. 7 wins, 6 losses - and the majority of the wins are unimpressive.

Ole Miss beat several of the top teams in the nation and racked up 9 wins to the Vols 7. Just look at the results and you tell me which program is a program "on the rise". In fact, the Rebels beat 5 or 6 teams that were better than Tennessee in addition to handing the Vols a 34-3 beatdown.

 

[em6126]

Tenn is improving under the current coaching regime. Their issue will be keeping that coach if he has an opportunity to go to a major program.

 

[TopTenn]

How long has Freeze been at Ole Miss?

 

[SiberVol]

Don't take our word for it.

Google the "experts'" outlook for Tennessee in 2015.

Carry on...





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[BeattieFeathers]

Lol....how dumb was that little excercise? You are a nice little story. Like the a Hawks winning 19 in a row.

 

[-MDVOL]

In Hugh Freeze's 2nd year, he went 8-5 one game better than Jones did

in his 2nd year
Freeze finished 5th in the SECW Won the Music City Bowl
Jones finished 4th in the SECE Won the Gator Bowl
Whoopity Frikkin Do.


Freeze had some talent left to him when he arrived in Oxford. Jones had little when he arrived in Knoxville and he has had to build from scratch. Because of piss poor recruiting by Dooley, he had to rebuilt both the OL and DL from scratch this year. The entire OL had 5 games experience among them 2 were True Freshmen,.. Another was an RS/F
One DT was a DE forced to play the position because of the lack of having another healthy DT. He was the ONLY one of the 9 who had ever started a game.

Starting 10 freshmen this past season with 7 of those being TRUE Freshmen and playing 24 True Freshmen during the season should tell you what the quality of the players Dooley left was like. Having a WALK-ON OT who played on a torn ACL and who also had a broken hand BUT was in the starting line-up simply because we had no one better was telling.

UT is on the way back up. You can whine, snivel and make all the excuses you want if it helps you sleep at night. Ole Miss gets these SHORT periods of competitiveness about once decade. But they ALWAYS wear off and that has been the case for the last 50 years.

Other than Vandy and maybe Kentucky, who in the SEC do you have a winning record against? Sure isn't UT. You are 20-44-1 lifetime. Hell, you were the ONLY SEC team other than Vandy and Kentucky that Derek F*****ng Dooley beat..

 

[BeattieFeathers]

Re: In Hugh Freeze's 2nd year, he went 8-5 one game better than Jones did

They are the epitome of a hundred year program.

 

[RebReb]

Re: In Hugh Freeze's 2nd year, he went 8-5 one game better than Jones did

Freeze curb-stomped your boy last season 34-3. To answer your question - he has been here 3 years and inherited the worst team in Ole Miss history.

Vol fans are trying to be excited about getting 7 wins against very weak competition. You guys are a long way from where you were under Fulmer. Good luck in the Liberty Bowl next year (if you make it).

 

[TheRebels'Advocate]

Re: In Hugh Freeze's 2nd year, he went 8-5 one game better than Jones did

Originally posted by -MDVOL:
in his 2nd year
Freeze finished 5th in the SECW Won the Music City Bowl
Jones finished 4th in the SECE Won the Gator Bowl
Whoopity Frikkin Do.


Freeze had some talent left to him when he arrived in Oxford. Jones had little when he arrived in Knoxville and he has had to build from scratch. Because of piss poor recruiting by Dooley, he had to rebuilt both the OL and DL from scratch this year. The entire OL had 5 games experience among them 2 were True Freshmen,.. Another was an RS/F
One DT was a DE forced to play the position because of the lack of having another healthy DT. He was the ONLY one of the 9 who had ever started a game.

Starting 10 freshmen this past season with 7 of those being TRUE Freshmen and playing 24 True Freshmen during the season should tell you what the quality of the players Dooley left was like. Having a WALK-ON OT who played on a torn ACL and who also had a broken hand BUT was in the starting line-up simply because we had no one better was telling.

UT is on the way back up. You can whine, snivel and make all the excuses you want if it helps you sleep at night. Ole Miss gets these SHORT periods of competitiveness about once decade. But they ALWAYS wear off and that has been the case for the last 50 years.

Other than Vandy and maybe Kentucky, who in the SEC do you have a winning record against? Sure isn't UT. You are 20-44-1 lifetime. Hell, you were the ONLY SEC team other than Vandy and Kentucky that Derek F*****ng Dooley beat..

That's EXACTLY what YOU JUST DID in this post....Proof of you simple mindedness.

 

[RebReb]

Seeing Ole Miss ranked significantly higher than Tennessee in the early preseason polls for next year. Based on the obnoxiousness of the Vol fans I just don't see how that could be true. Thought for sure you guys were preseason top 5. After you start the season 3-4 you won't be in any polls.

 

[-MDVOL]

We were down to one RB in that game and he was hurt

We had only 6 OL for the game and our Q/B was playing with a torn labrium. That was his last game and he took a hell of a beating. Like your game against Memphis, you scored cheap points in the last minute to make the game look worse than it was. Enjoy your great victory. History says it has to last you for a decade or more. Hell if it hadn't been for that Crappy 1957-1968 whern UT was down and later rebuilding while Johnny Vaught had his best teams letting you win HALF your totl wins against Tennessee, you'd be worse than Vandy. 10 of your wins in 13years.

Prior to 1957, you Black Rebel B'ars were 2-22-1. You had that 10-3 run from 1957 - 1989. Since 1969 you Black Rebel B'ars are 8-19

 

[roaddogmvp]

Both programs may end up with the same record in the 2015 season. Both have a degree of uncertainty about them. The media loves when a program has continuity at the QB position, but this does not always mean good things. UT's biggest uncertainty is whether their O-Line improves and if their defense gets better than last year.

Meanwhile, Ole Miss does bring back a lot of talent on defense, but loses a leader in Prewitt. Leadership skills and wits can matter a lot to a defense. Think Alabama had it easy in their secondary without Vinny Sunseri? Ole Miss breaks in a new QB and we will see how Treadwell comes back from injury.

The SEC East will be much more challenging with the exception of Vanderbilt. Kentucky's improvement makes things much more challenging. We'll know if Tennessee actually is back if they can beat Florida.

However, possibly the biggest thing in Tennessee's favor going forward is what is happening at South Carolina and the speculation surrounding Spurrier. South Carolina's rise in the past 6 years is directly related to Tennessee's demise.

This post was edited on 2/3 11:01 PM by roaddogmvp

 

[pwier]

Will Memphis be ranked above them?

Just wondering, last year the Vols were the second fiddle team in Tennessee.

 

[BeattieFeathers]

Spurrier has nothing to do with our demise. Our wounds were self inflicted, much like UGA's were during the Jan Kemp affair. The president's office has been a revolving door

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Just as an outsider looking at both programs from 2014, OM started out on fire, UT started the season struggling. The game against each other seemed end the first season and start a new one, OM struggled losing 4 of 6 including a bad bowl loss and UT won 4 of 6 including a bowl win.

WIth that said, UT brings back most of their team almost all key players except Johnson defensively but OM also returns quite a bit but has to replace their qb. Unfortunately its a big question mark because it looks like the apparent starter, if available, is an erratic guy who has been dismissed from one school.

If the 2 teams played each other in a bowl, I wont' say UT would have won it, but the score would not have been as one sided.

 

[chattreb]

Had we been health and had UT been healthy, it would have been another beat down. We were not the same team after Treadwell went down. During the bowl game, we were missing our top two receivers, and the entire left side of out Oline. Our flaw was lack of dept.

 

[BeattieFeathers]

Well boo freaking hoo. Our wr corp was decimated this season, including Marquez north who didn't play against you. You guys will finish 12th in recruiting. Too bad we stopped playing every season.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Originally posted by chattreb:

Had we been health and had UT been healthy, it would have been another beat down. We were not the same team after Treadwell went down. During the bowl game, we were missing our top two receivers, and the entire left side of out Oline. Our flaw was lack of dept.

Just giving an opinion of what each team looked like on the field and I thought it was a pretty unbiased opinion. Injuries are just part of the game, 13 was our year to get devastated with them, 14 was your year, hopefully it goes in a different direction in 15.

 

[chattreb]

Let me tell you something Mr.Gatlinburg salt water taffy. You need to get through your hillbilly head that UT is the worst performing program in the SEC in the top three major sports over the last three years. Sgt Carter can not sign 30-3
5 players every year so you can have something to hang your hat on. The two things I remember about the OM Tenn. game was the 34-3, and the redneck UT fans that we were so hospitable to let eat and drink at our tent before the game, and acted like that they were at the Golden Coral buffet.

 

[TheRebels'Advocate]

Originally posted by BeattieFeathers:
Well boo freaking hoo. Our wr corp was decimated this season, including Marquez north who didn't play against you. You guys will finish 12th in recruiting. Too bad we stopped playing every season.

I agree with you, Betty...It would great to curb stomp your vols-in tears again, only this time in your house. If your team played as hard as you ran your mouth, they would be SEC champs. But they don't, so they're not.

And boo freaking hoo, you cry and bellyache about all of U cheaTN's deficiencies as much as any Reb has about ours. You're just too ignorant to see it. Hypocrisy is a friend of yours, I see.

By the way...Have wages at U cheaTN increased since Arian Foster played there? Your new recruits would like to know.

 

[-MDVOL]

Got news for you clown, Treadwell played against UT

He went down two games later.

 

[GoldenReb]

Re: In Hugh Freeze's 2nd year, he went 8-5 one game better than Jones did

Originally posted by -MDVOL:
Freeze had some talent left to him when he arrived in Oxford.

Quit reading right there.

 

[RebelFIL]

The answer to the question is, "both"

OM's rise simply started before UT's and is ahead of UT's.

There is no indication that OM will fizzle anytime soon. They will likely battle for the top 1-5 spots in the West for at least through 2019. That assumes that the West remains as strong as it is today. If there is a down year, it may be 2016 but probably not even then. The coaching is proven and the 2016 talent infusion could be scary.

You can tell Butch Jones is a good coach and obviously a good recruiter. UT could break through this year but it would require a ton of influence from the new players. 7 wins should probably be considered a good year in 2015. 8 wins seems possible. I'm assuming losses to Oklahoma, Arkansas, Georgia, and Alabama with a loss to South Carolina being acceptable too.

If OM doesn't figure out the oline and QB issues, they could end up with only 7 wins too (6th in the West), but i would bet they get to 8+ wins.

 

[HightowerReb]

Re: In Hugh Freeze's 2nd year, he went 8-5 one game better than Jones did


Freeze had about as many scholarship players as a 1AA program. Nutt rolled the dice on a ton of kids with talent, but were very high risk. Freeze had to come in a clean house. It was a mess of epic proportions.

 

[Johnnyreb2]

Re: In Hugh Freeze's 2nd year, he went 8-5 one game better than Jones did

I thought the subject was a team on the rise, not the last 50 years. These are the facts. Over the last 50 years UT has been a more consistent winner. This year ole miss was 31 points better. ... 2015 UT. Had a higher ranked recruiting class so if you equate that as you are more up and coming then okay. I can agree with that. But the fact is Ole miss flat out DOMINATED UT in 2014. Good luck in 2015

 

[MO.Reb]

You would be hard pressed to find a more arrogant group than TN fans. I have a good Vol friend along with his wife and they were just obnoxious when it came to football. Think Arky fans when you think of TN ones. Common Sense / Logic / Intelligence / and yes, even ignorance > TN, Arky fans