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FSU - OM Warchant message board conversation

See, you just did what ESPN did with the "sexual assault" allegation thing you threw in there. There was no reason to do that. You do know it was investigated by three different entities and was determined to be false by each one, and that the girl's story changed more times than most people change underwear, right? It's not Winston's fault the girl decided to lie and go for the money. So everytime someone brings up the false "allegation" then the girl's lies should be mentioned as well.

That is a fair assessment and I probably would feel the same if he played for my school. That being said, maybe the media didn't report it accurately, but the TPD sure didn't seem like they were exactly forthcoming during the investigation.

Multiple incidents of theft and acting like a complete turd leads others to believe Winston isn't some sort of stand-up guy.
 
Well Wilkins is on roster but won't play
And frankly our RBs are probably average with or without him
Adeboye is also back

Core and Treadwell are gone but we are loaded at WR, playmakers there are the least of our worries
Should an interesting matchup between our secondary and your WRs.
 
Amazing that no Bama or State fan has attempted to screw it up with their usual dumb crap. Attempting to have a normal football discussion with them is like trying to have one with your cat.

You can't engage in football-related discussion because you know zero about the sport. I would love to know what you did for a living before you started drawing government checks.
 
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Thanks for the position breakdown. If you weren't trying to troll then you had me fooled.

You are putting words in the mouths of FSU posters on the 24 points thing. The dude said "fairly certain". That's his opinion, and one I happen to share. Absent any turnovers or special teams scores, I don't see anyway you putting up 30+ points on FSU. Our weakness on D is power run games, our strength is our secondary and playing spread teams with mobile QBs. Our defense is literally been built for 7 years now specifically to beat teams with offensive style that you guys employ. Sorry if that ruffles feathers with you. In my opinion, Clemson has a more talented QB and more talented WRs last year than you will have this year, and they struggled to put up 23 points on this defense that should have an improved secondary this year. That same Clemson offense TORCHED that Alabama defense, but couldn't move the ball against FSU. We are comparable in talent to Bama on D, but we are built much differently. We thrive against spreads and mobile QBs, they struggle with them. That's just the facts man.


And it is my opinion that Kellyis streaky. Those were my words, and based on only watching 2 games (Bama and UF) last year, which I freely admitted was a small sample size and I did not state as fact.

There has been a good exchange of info in this thread, but you have come dangerously close to turning this into something else.

You've done your fair share of coming dangerously close as well.
Houston put up 38 in the bowl game. Are they a power running team?
I think you will find us very comparable to Clemson offensively this year if the OT can be average.

We are going to be good in the center of the line. Great at QB, WR, and TE. Average at running back and ? At OT

If OT is adequate all that will add up to easily a top five offense in the country

Again "streaky" is subjective, of course everyone is better at some times than others but the fact is he was and is very good even those games Memphis, Florida, Arkansas where the rest of the team (defense) wasn't
 
Pay close attention to the names you just posted and to what they did against Bama, then realize that every single one of those names except for Kelly are no longer on your roster (correct me if I'm wrong). That's a lot of playmakers that won't play against a stacked FSU team that returns almost everyone and is more talented than any team in the SEC except for maybe Bama.
Actually Adeboyejo is there aswell. We also have Stringfellow who is every bit as good as Core was. Throw in Van Jefferson and Demarcus Lodge and our WR as a whole are better than last year.
 
You can't engage in football-related discussion because you know zero about the sport. I would love to know what you did for a living before you started drawing government checks.


Wait a damn minute. You mean to tell me the dude that has been bashing Winston on this thread is actually a Bama fan? Stop the press LOL

Speaking of knowing zero, what multiple acts of theft are you referring to exactly? Because you don't know what you are talking about.

The local supermarket has been hooking up star players with food for years in Tally, it's common knowledge. Winston was living under a microscope that no other college player every has, and he got outted for receiving a $20 hookup. It wasn't theft.

That is literally the one and only incident he was guilty of with the law, ever.
 
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I agree with everything you stated. Your defense was damn good last year, no question. I was simply pointing out that claiming your offense put up 40+ points on Bama in a disingenuous statement. Your TEAM did, but it was mostly the defense and special teams doing the dirty work. Credit should go to the offense for taking advantage of those short fields and getting 6 instead of settling for 3. I just got the impression the objective okra fan was acting like your guys offense steam rolled Alabama. Clemson did, Ole Miss didn't. The 4 for14 on 3rd downs hints at the lack of sustained success against that defense.

But I digress, enough about the Bama game. Let's talk our upcoming matchup.

What is your biggest concern coming into the game? What is the weakness you think FSU could potentially exploit?

I don't have concerns because i don't really have anything to do with the game. If you want a breakdown i can give it though. Our QB is better than yours, your RB is better than ours, Your O-line is better, our d-line is better. Our WR are better, your secondary may have a slight advantage. LB's are a push.

What does all that mean, absolutely nothing. It looks like bother of our strengths line up against each other and our weaknesses line up against each other. Momentum and Effort are going to decide this game. Cook should rush for 100-120. If our secondary can hold up and keep your QB around 200 i think we win. In the end i think a bounce of that funny shaped ball will separate the winner from the loser
 
That is a fair assessment and I probably would feel the same if he played for my school. That being said, maybe the media didn't report it accurately, but the TPD sure didn't seem like they were exactly forthcoming during the investigation.

Multiple incidents of theft and acting like a complete turd leads others to believe Winston isn't some sort of stand-up guy.
The "theft" was likely just a hookup. Not saying that makes it right, just saying that he likely didn't just walk in and "steal" some crab legs lol. The point is, all of the other "multiple" incidents were minor and would have never seen the light of day sans the false rape allegation. But like Red Wolfe said, time to let it go and get back on topic.
 
Actually Adeboyejo is there aswell. We also have Stringfellow who is every bit as good as Core was. Throw in Van Jefferson and Demarcus Lodge and our WR as a whole are better than last year.

Yeah, pretty much lol that losing Treadwell and Core is going to be a downfall

As great as they were if I got to take one player back from last year's team I'd take Tunsil and Cooper before Treadwell and seriously consider, Walton, Elston, Hilton, Nkemdiche, Ward, and Hamilton
 
Wait a damn minute. You mean to tell me the dude that has been bashing Winston on this thread is actually a Bama fan? Stop the press LOL

Speaking of knowing zero, what multiple acts of theft are you referring to exactly? Because you don't know what you are talking about.

The local supermarket has been hooking up star players with food for years in Tally, it's common knowledge. Winston was living under a microscope that no other college player every has, and he got outted for receiving a $20 hookup. It wasn't theft.

That is literally the one and only incident he was guilty of with the law, ever.

No actually he is a pedophile worshiping, wife beating state fan
 
You've done your fair share of coming dangerously close as well.

Fair point. I did come in with a boat load of football talk and analysts before I inferred your QB was a douche :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: I did back track on that one a bit and was glad to hear he matured since his rap video days.

You kind of took the opposite approach, started of with the flaming then came back with some solid football talk. Glad we turned this little exchange around [thumb2].

As for Houston, I pay little attention to those one-off bowl games. Go back and look at any instance of a non-BCS team getting matched up with a college powerhouse in a major BCS bowl in the last 10-15 years. The powerhouse team almost always loses or at least plays horrible. They don't want to be there and simply go through the motions with no enthusiasm. Most of the star players are prepping for the draft or the off-season, while the underdog is treating it like their super bowl. Similar performances were had by Bama, Oklahoma, etc in the last 10 years.

We also had Everette Golson quit the team and leave the school (cry baby for losing the starting spot), and had our starting QB literally break his ankle in the first quarter. We had to play a 3rd string QB for 2 quarters before our starter came back and sucked on a broken leg and threw 4 picks.

But yeah, that was embarrassing. Not going to lie about that. Football is a tough game to play when you lack motivation. Just saying
 
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I don't have concerns because i don't really have anything to do with the game. If you want a breakdown i can give it though. Our QB is better than yours, your RB is better than ours, Your O-line is better, our d-line is better. Our WR are better, your secondary may have a slight advantage. LB's are a push.

What does all that mean, absolutely nothing. It looks like bother of our strengths line up against each other and our weaknesses line up against each other. Momentum and Effort are going to decide this game. Cook should rush for 100-120. If our secondary can hold up and keep your QB around 200 i think we win. In the end i think a bounce of that funny shaped ball will separate the winner from the loser
Not so fast on the QB assessment. Nobody knows how good Francois is yet. As for your WRs, I guarantee we are deeper and have more overall talent there than Ole Miss. Same thing goes for the DL. Can't wait for this game!
 
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As an outsider I kind of get the impression that State has a bit of a little brother mentality to Ole Miss. Is that basically the relationship there? Or am I off base?
Of course they have little brother syndrome. They can't accept being left behind in the shadows. On to the matchup. I think the OL on both teams are the keys. Whichever team blocks the best will win. I think Swag Machine Gun Kelly the First negates some of the advantages that FSU has. I believe QB is the most important position, so he evens it out for us.
 
Fair point. I did come in with a boat load of football talk and analysts before I inferred your QB was a douche :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: I did back track on that one a bit and was glad to hear he matured since his rap video days.

You kind of took the opposite approach, started of with the flaming then came back with some solid football talk. Glad we turned this little exchange around [thumb2].

As for Houston, I pay little attention to those one-off bowl games. Go back and look at any instance of a non-BCS team getting matched up with a college powerhouse in a major BCS bowl in the last 10-15 years. The powerhouse team almost always loses or at least plays horrible. They don't want to be there and simply go through the motions with no enthusiasm. Most of the star players are prepping for the draft or the off-season, while the underdog is treating it like their super bowl. Similar performances were had by Bama, Oklahoma, etc in the last 10 years.

We also had Everette Golson quit the team and leave the school (cry baby for losing the starting spot), and had our starting QB literally break his ankle in the first quarter. We had to play a 3rd string QB for 2 quarters before our starter came back and sucked on a broken leg and threw 4 picks.

But yeah, that was embarrassing. Not going to lie about that. Football is a tough game to play when you lack motivation. Just saying

My first post was an analysis of what the loss of Jordan Wilkins does/doesn't mean this season. As far as running the ball it is basically no loss, but he may be the best pass protector and obviously that is important to us. He also retuned kick offs last year though was nothing special at it and probably would have lost that job anyway, but is generally a big contributors on all our special teams.

It's a shame he loses a year because some counsler didn't sign him up for the correct classes. He has the total hours and the GPA but apparently not the hours toward his major.
 
You've done your fair share of coming dangerously close as well.
Houston put up 38 in the bowl game. Are they a power running team?
I think you will find us very comparable to Clemson offensively this year if the OT can be average.

We are going to be good in the center of the line. Great at QB, WR, and TE. Average at running back and ? At OT

If OT is adequate all that will add up to easily a top five offense in the country

Again "streaky" is subjective, of course everyone is better at some times than others but the fact is he was and is very good even those games Memphis, Florida, Arkansas where the rest of the team (defense) wasn't
Houston put up 38, but just like Bama against your team, we had multiple turnovers. Maguire was playing on a broken ankle and threw four picks. Without the turnovers it's a much different game and outcome. I wouldn't look at that Houston game and assume that Ole Miss will score 38 points just because Houston did. To be fair though, Houston was probably better than Ole Miss last year. They were 13-1.
 
Not so fast on the QB assessment. Nobody knows how good Francois is yet. As for your WRs, I guarantee we are deeper and have more overall talent there than Ole Miss. Same thing goes for the DL. Can't wait for this game!

I agree we can't know much about your QB at this point but I think it is safe to assume that a fifth year senior that just put up 4K+ yards in the SEC is likely better at this point than a freshmen that has yet to take a snap. I'm not sure if you're even serious at suggesting otherwise.

As for your WR guarantee, lol. This article has us #10 (seems low) and FSU not listed.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...eivers-clemson-alabama-michigan-oregon-080116

DL, I want argue but both should be very good
 
Not so fast on the QB assessment. Nobody knows how good Francois is yet. As for your WRs, I guarantee we are deeper and have more overall talent there than Ole Miss. Same thing goes for the DL. Can't wait for this game!


Sorry bud, have to side with the frenemies on this one. If Bobo Wilson and Kermit Whitfield are starting for us, the they have better WRs.

I know we have some physical studs waiting in the wings, and I am excited about their potential. But until I see Jimbo put them on the field, we are just plain average at WR.

I like Travis Rusolph, and he is an absolute stud, as a 2nd WR. He is our #1 wideout right now, and as long as we don't have someone else come along and step up as a legit #1 we are average at WR overall.

Also, excited about Fracois, but they have a proven commodity so at this very moment, they can make the claim of better QB. By seasons end that may be a different story.



See! I told you guys I wasn't a blind homer!
 
I agree we can't know much about your QB at this point but I think it is safe to assume that a fifth year senior that just put up 4K+ yards in the SEC is likely better at this point than a freshmen that has yet to take a snap. I'm not sure if you're even serious at suggesting otherwise.

As for your WR guarantee, lol. This article has us #10 (seems low) and FSU not listed.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...eivers-clemson-alabama-michigan-oregon-080116

DL, I want argue but both should be very good
The thing about it is, Francois doesn't have to be better than Kelly for FSU to win this game. He just has to manage the game and let the plethora of playmakers around him beat the Ole Miss defense. He is plenty capable of that I would think. Remember that FSU returns every offensive starter from last season. Kelly has a much tougher task against the FSU defense IMO. As for the WRs, just look at our roster and look at their high school star ratings. Trust me, we have talent there. Just a matter of time until that unit becomes elite.
 
Sorry bud, have to side with the frenemies on this one. If Bobo Wilson and Kermit Whitfield are starting for us, the they have better WRs.

I know we have some physical studs waiting in the wings, and I am excited about their potential. But until I see Jimbo put them on the field, we are just plain average at WR.

I like Travis Rusolph, and he is an absolute stud, as a 2nd WR. He is our #1 wideout right now, and as long as we don't have someone else come along and step up as a legit #1 we are average at WR overall.

Also, excited about Fracois, but they have a proven commodity so at this very moment, they can make the claim of better QB. By seasons end that may be a different story.



See! I told you guys I wasn't a blind homer!

perhaps not blind like @NC nole fan but only a homer would think it was some sort of accomplishment to acknowledge the obvious
 
The thing about it is, Francois doesn't have to be better than Kelly for FSU to win this game. He just has to manage the game and let the plethora of playmakers around him beat the Ole Miss defense. He is plenty capable of that I would think. Remember that FSU returns every offensive starter from last season. Kelly has a much tougher task against the FSU defense IMO. As for the WRs, just look at our roster and look at their high school star ratings. Trust me, we have talent there. Just a matter of time until that unit becomes elite.

I have no disagreement with this QB assessment. Just give it up on WRs.

We were loaded with what was returning and signed the best WRing class in the country.

Frankly, our freshmen WRs are probably better than your WRs but like your QB we will have to wait and see.
 
Sorry bud, have to side with the frenemies on this one. If Bobo Wilson and Kermit Whitfield are starting for us, the they have better WRs.

I know we have some physical studs waiting in the wings, and I am excited about their potential. But until I see Jimbo put them on the field, we are just plain average at WR.

I like Travis Rusolph, and he is an absolute stud, as a 2nd WR. He is our #1 wideout right now, and as long as we don't have someone else come along and step up as a legit #1 we are average at WR overall.

Also, excited about Fracois, but they have a proven commodity so at this very moment, they can make the claim of better QB. By seasons end that may be a different story.



See! I told you guys I wasn't a blind homer!
Good points, but I like our secondary against their WRs. Kinda negates any advantage they may have there. As for Francois, he just has to manage the game and not give it away with turnovers and he will be fine.
 
I have no disagreement with this QB assessment. Just give it up on WRs.

We were loaded with what was returning and signed the best WRing class in the country.

Frankly, our freshmen WRs are probably better than your WRs but like your QB we will have to wait and see.
We will see. But no matter how good your WRs may be, I would put my money on our secondary being able to hold them in check, especially if Ole Miss can't run the football in this game.
 
We will see. But no matter how good your WRs may be, I would put my money on our secondary being able to hold them in check, especially if Ole Miss can't run the football in this game.

Better have guys that can cover an entire game
 
I don't care how many stars Lane and Harrison had next to their names. One is no threat in the passing game and caught about 4 balls last year as a sophomore. The other never plays. Maybe the guys that were freshmen last year will take a step (Murray and hopefully Tate) but they haven't done anything yet. It's Rudolph and 2 midgets at this point.
 
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I have no disagreement with this QB assessment. Just give it up on WRs.

We were loaded with what was returning and signed the best WRing class in the country.

Frankly, our freshmen WRs are probably better than your WRs but like your QB we will have to wait and see.
Lol. You don't have a single freshman WR as good as Rudolph, and we have a five star sophomore (Campbell) that hasn't seen the field much...yet. Lane is a former five star as well, though he is a better blocker than he is a pass catcher. At least he was last year before he got hurt. Auden Tate is another stud that may introduce himself on Labor Day, and then there is true freshman Keith Gavin waiting in the wings. Kermit Whitfield (probably the fastest guy in CFB) is back in the slot and he became a pretty big weapon there last season. Bobo Wilson is no slouch either. We got plenty of ballers at WR too.
 
FSU is deeper than we are but not by as much as people would think. It's not like we haven't been recruiting elite talent as well. Plus people keep talking about turnovers as being fluckey plays. Turnovers win or loose games for teams every week. In fact I'll go as far as to say the winner of the tournover battle will win this game as well. We aren't good enough to win if we turn the ball over and neither is FSU. Turnovers and special teams will 100% play a HUGE role in this game. And we are better at QB. Fact. Chad Kelly on a bad day is the 3rd best QB in the country. The only player in SEC history to have a better season than he had last year was Johnny Football. Like him, love him or hate him Chad Kelly is a heck of a QB.
 
Houston put up 38, but just like Bama against your team, we had multiple turnovers. Maguire was playing on a broken ankle and threw four picks. Without the turnovers it's a much different game and outcome. I wouldn't look at that Houston game and assume that Ole Miss will score 38 points just because Houston did. To be fair though, Houston was probably better than Ole Miss last year. They were 13-1.
From this statement forward your opinion is null and void because you are clearly mental
 
Let's not turn this into a Winston thread. Sorry if I struck a nerve with my inference that Kelly seems to be a world class douche. The last time I played any attention to him was when he signed with Clemson, came out with a rap video, proceeded to talk trash to all the QBs on the roster, then promptly gets kicked out for being an entitled brat. It takes a lot to get kicked out of Clemson. So he may have matured since then? I haven't been paying attention.

I guess we deserved a shot at Winston for that. I understand why outsiders have the opinion they do on Winston becuase of what they have been "told", and it's a damn shame honestly. I will leave this topic alone.

Back to the football talk: what are your LBs like? Bigger run stuffers or smaller faster types? Dalvin has been known to absolutely destroy pursuit angles with his speed, how do you guys think you match up here? Any LB that you are confident can cover him in the flats on swing routes? (We run a lot of that btw)
Kelly has grown up considerably since he has been at OM. Freeze has been very good for him in that respect. As far as LBs are concerned I will defer to someone more knowledgeable than myself. Our LB core has some new faces that have been successful at their previous role prior to OM.
 
From this statement forward your opinion is null and void because you are clearly mental

Dude, you got worked my Memphis. Houston would have smoked Ole Miss too. You have an inflated perception of OM because of the luckiest game in the history of the sport. 5 turnovers and Bammer still almost won.
 
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Wow, things have changed now for OM. We lost RB Jordan Wilkins to academics. That's going to hurt.
Actually not really, Swinney was probably going to make a push to start by the mid point of the season. We have Judd, Brazley, DK Buford, and Panamon. It would be nice to have Wilkins but we will be fine in the backfield. Our offense doesn't rely on the RB.
 
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perhaps not blind like @NC nole fan but only a homer would think it was some sort of accomplishment to acknowledge the obvious

Just when I think we are moving in the right direction, and I offer you an olive branch of concession and compliments, and even belittle your instate rival for you, and yet you still respond like a dick. The only thing that is obvious to me is that you are a pompous ass.

I'll revert back to my troll title now for you and this will be my last post directed at you. If you want to hang your hat on freshman and recruiting rankings, we have more of them.

We were loaded with what was returning and signed the best WRing class in the country.

Frankly, our freshmen WRs are probably better than your WRs but like your QB we will have to wait and see.

Ummmmm.... No you didn't. Are you confusing your roster with ours, because we actually did sign the best WR class in the country 2 years ago.

Let's take a look,shall we? Per rivals database for last 3 classes:

2014:
OM signed 2 WRs
1 4* (#30 position ranking)
1 3* (#72 position ranking

FSU signed 3 WRs
2 5* (#1 and #5 position ranking)
1 4* (#42 position ranking)

2015:
OM signed 2 WRs
2 4* (#7 and #13 position ranking)

FSU signed 3 WRs
1 5* (#5 position ranking)
2 4* (#10 and #22 position ranking)

2016
OM signed 3 WRs
3 4* (9,14, 51 position rankings)

FSU signed 1 WR
1 4* (#32 position ranking)


In the past 3 classes FSU and OM have both signed a total of 7 WRs.

OM has zero 5*, six 4*, and one 3* for an average star rating of 3.85 and an average position ranking of 28 overall.

FSU has three 5*, four 4* and zero 3* for an average star rating of 4.42 and an average position ranking of 16.7.

Tell me again how much deeper and more talented that WR roster is again. FSU has almost 0.6 higher stars per player and a full 11.3 spot higher position ranking per player. I know top 10 recruiting classes is something new and novel around here, so you assume you have more talent than other programs, but we've been a top 5 recruiting machine for a long long time bud. Once your booster stimulus package runs up you will fall back into hoping for a top 20 class. Enjoy your 15 minutes, this may be the last year or two of relevance.

For the rest of the rational OM posters, I am not in love with two of our starters from last year which is why I am willing to concede you have better WRs without even really knowing much about your returning players. We had shitty QB play last year to put it nicely. If some of our young 5* talent steps up, with better QB play we have the potential to have a better unit by mid-season, but not in week 1.

Carry on.
 
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Just when I think we are moving in the right direction, and I offer you an olive branch of concession and compliments, and even belittle your instate rival for you, and yet you still respond like a dick.

I'll revert back to my troll title now for you and this will be my last post directed at you. If you want to hang your hat on freshman and recruiting rankings, we have more of them.

Let's take a look,shall we? Per rivals database for last 3 classes:

2014:
OM signed 2 WRs
1 4* (#30 position ranking)
1 3* (#72 position ranking

FSU signed 3 WRs
2 5* (#1 and #5 position ranking)
1 4* (#42 position ranking)

2015:
OM signed 2 WRs
2 4* (#7 and #13 position ranking)

FSU signed 3 WRs
1 5* (#5 position ranking)
2 4* (#10 and #22 position ranking)

2016
OM signed 3 WRs
3 4* (9,14, 51 position rankings)

FSU signed 1 WR
1 4* (#32 position ranking)


In the past 3 classes FSU and OM have both signed a total of 7 WRs.

OM has zero 5*, six 4*, and one 3* for an average star rating of 3.85 and an average position ranking of 28 overall.

FSU has three 5*, four 4* and zero 3* for an average star rating of 4.42 and an average position ranking of 16.7.

Tell me again how much deeper and more talented that WR roster is again. FSU has almost 0.6 higher stars per player and a full 11.3 spot higher position ranking per player. I know top 10 recruiting classes is something new and novel around here, so you assume you have more talent than other programs, but we've been a top 5 recruiting machine for a long long time bud. Once your booster stimulus package runs up you will fall back into hoping for a top 20 class. Enjoy your 15 minutes, this may be the last year or two of relevance.

For the rest of the rational OM posters, I am not in love with two of our starters from last year which is why I am willing to concede you have better WRs without even really knowing much about your returning players. We had shitty QB play last year to put it nicely. If some of our young 5* talent steps up, with better QB play we have the potential to have a better unit by mid-season, but not in week 1.

Carry on.

FSU 34
Ole Mi$$ 13
 
Houston put up 38, but just like Bama against your team, we had multiple turnovers. Maguire was playing on a broken ankle and threw four picks. Without the turnovers it's a much different game and outcome. I wouldn't look at that Houston game and assume that Ole Miss will score 38 points just because Houston did. To be fair though, Houston was probably better than Ole Miss last year. They were 13-1.
:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy: Okay......you have a good day now.
 
Just when I think we are moving in the right direction, and I offer you an olive branch of concession and compliments, and even belittle your instate rival for you, and yet you still respond like a dick.

I'll revert back to my troll title now for you and this will be my last post directed at you. If you want to hang your hat on freshman and recruiting rankings, we have more of them.

Let's take a look,shall we? Per rivals database for last 3 classes:

2014:
OM signed 2 WRs
1 4* (#30 position ranking)
1 3* (#72 position ranking

FSU signed 3 WRs
2 5* (#1 and #5 position ranking)
1 4* (#42 position ranking)

2015:
OM signed 2 WRs
2 4* (#7 and #13 position ranking)

FSU signed 3 WRs
1 5* (#5 position ranking)
2 4* (#10 and #22 position ranking)

2016
OM signed 3 WRs
3 4* (9,14, 51 position rankings)

FSU signed 1 WR
1 4* (#32 position ranking)


In the past 3 classes FSU and OM have both signed a total of 7 WRs.

OM has zero 5*, six 4*, and one 3* for an average star rating of 3.85 and an average position ranking of 28 overall.

FSU has three 5*, four 4* and zero 3* for an average star rating of 4.42 and an average position ranking of 16.7.

Tell me again how much deeper and more talented that WR roster is again. FSU has almost 0.6 higher stars per player and a full 11.3 spot higher position ranking per player. I know top 10 recruiting classes is something new and novel around here, so you assume you have more talent than other programs, but we've been a top 5 recruiting machine for a long long time bud. Once your booster stimulus package runs up you will fall back into hoping for a top 20 class. Enjoy your 15 minutes, this may be the last year or two of relevance.

For the rest of the rational OM posters, I am not in love with two of our starters from last year which is why I am willing to concede you have better WRs without even really knowing much about your returning players. We had shitty QB play last year to put it nicely. If some of our young 5* talent steps up, with better QB play we have the potential to have a better unit by mid-season, but not in week 1.

Carry on.
Stringfellow was a transfer but that's another 4* in the 14 class. Ive seen your WR core. They aren't very dynamic. I don't know if that's due to scheme or QB play I'm just saying they weren't great last year.
 
Just when I think we are moving in the right direction, and I offer you an olive branch of concession and compliments, and even belittle your instate rival for you, and yet you still respond like a dick.

I'll revert back to my troll title now for you and this will be my last post directed at you. If you want to hang your hat on freshman and recruiting rankings, we have more of them.

Let's take a look,shall we? Per rivals database for last 3 classes:

2014:
OM signed 2 WRs
1 4* (#30 position ranking)
1 3* (#72 position ranking

FSU signed 3 WRs
2 5* (#1 and #5 position ranking)
1 4* (#42 position ranking)

2015:
OM signed 2 WRs
2 4* (#7 and #13 position ranking)

FSU signed 3 WRs
1 5* (#5 position ranking)
2 4* (#10 and #22 position ranking)

2016
OM signed 3 WRs
3 4* (9,14, 51 position rankings)

FSU signed 1 WR
1 4* (#32 position ranking)


In the past 3 classes FSU and OM have both signed a total of 7 WRs.

OM has zero 5*, six 4*, and one 3* for an average star rating of 3.85 and an average position ranking of 28 overall.

FSU has three 5*, four 4* and zero 3* for an average star rating of 4.42 and an average position ranking of 16.7.

Tell me again how much deeper and more talented that WR roster is again. FSU has almost 0.6 higher stars per player and a full 11.3 spot higher position ranking per player. I know top 10 recruiting classes is something new and novel around here, so you assume you have more talent than other programs, but we've been a top 5 recruiting machine for a long long time bud. Once your booster stimulus package runs up you will fall back into hoping for a top 20 class. Enjoy your 15 minutes, this may be the last year or two of relevance.

For the rest of the rational OM posters, I am not in love with two of our starters from last year which is why I am willing to concede you have better WRs without even really knowing much about your returning players. We had shitty QB play last year to put it nicely. If some of our young 5* talent steps up, with better QB play we have the potential to have a better unit by mid-season, but not in week 1.

Carry on.

I was afraid if one of our people carried on about our superior talent (at any position) too much that this would happen. That's why I tried to discourage thinking FSU WR talent was lacking. It's obviously not.

That said, FSU doesn't and likely won't have the more productive WR group b/c of two things that are fairly obvious. FSU RB strength and QB inexperience. So we can be correct about having the better producing group and FSU fan's touting talent can be correct.

I want someone to take a look at the strength of the passing offenses that FSU faced last year to see if some of their pass-d numbers might be impressive b/c the opposition's pass-o wasn't.
 
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