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FSU - OM Warchant message board conversation

1) Tony Conner is by far my favorite player on your team. Saw him play on TV when he was in high school and immediately posted on our recruiting board that we need to try and get that kid on campus. Only to be even more immediately informed that kids from that high school rarely go anywhere but Ole Miss.

2) Until we get some of the younger kids on the field and producing, you won't catch me bragging about our WR's. Rudolph is very good, but we need Tate and Noonie to step up and take the slot and WR2 positions away. I'm optimistic they will by game 4 or 5.

3) I stand firmly behind what I said. If FSU does not turn the ball over 3+ times, I am fairly certain (let's say 85% or so) that Ole Miss will not score a 25th point on Labor Day night. I guess there's always a chance of garbage time points in a lopsided game, but in what I expect to be a competitive game, I just don't see that many points hitting the scoreboard.

4) I'm digging the Delta St sig
 
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1) Tony Conner is by far my favorite player on your team. Saw him play on TV when he was in high school and immediately posted on our recruiting board that we need to try and get that kid on campus. Only to be even more immediately informed that kids from that high school rarely go anywhere but Ole Miss.

2) Until we get some of the younger kids on the field and producing, you won't catch me bragging about our WR's. Rudolph is very good, but we need Tate and Noonie to step up and take the slot and WR2 positions away. I'm optimistic they will by game 4 or 5.

3) I stand firmly behind what I said. If FSU does not turn the ball over 3+ times, I am fairly certain (let's say 85% or so) that Ole Miss will not score a 25th point on Labor Day night. I guess there's always a chance of garbage time points in a lopsided game, but in what I expect to be a competitive game, I just don't see that many points hitting the scoreboard.

4) I'm digging the Delta St sig

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I mean, if there's garbage time, then Shea Patterson will be throwing the ball around. And it will be a lot more than 25. [troll cap]
 
Stringfellow was a transfer but that's another 4* in the 14 class. Ive seen your WR core. They aren't very dynamic. I don't know if that's due to scheme or QB play I'm just saying they weren't great last year.
Two of our starters from last year are not that dynamic, I agree. I've stated that multiple times that they are solid, yet fairly average receivers. We started two guys that were 5'8". We have 7 guys that are all 6'1" or taller that are 4 and 5 star studs that are much more talented than the two guys that started last year.

I think a lot of that had to do with the younger guys getting hurt and slowing their development of learning the system (we are only one of a few college programs that run a heavy amount of option routes so I having freshman contribute is rare).

So if we bench the two older guys, for the more talented youngsters, we could have a much more dynamic WR group.

You guys realize we had 3 5*s sitting on the bench last year at WR due to injuries?
 
I haven't read much on FSU DL VS OM OL. I heard that OM lost its entire line plus Tunsils backup. If that's the case watch out. FSU started a whole new OL last year and no matter the talent level a completely overhauled line is trouble. Especially the first gm. Especially against theNoles DL.

DeMarcus Walker DE is top5-10 in the country. Josh Sweat DE is 5 star phenom in SO year. Derek Nnadi DT is potentially elite in his money year JR. The depth is there. Blitz packages are solid.

I'd like to read more aboutOM OL
 
Two of our starters from last year are not that dynamic, I agree. I've stated that multiple times that they are solid, yet fairly average receivers. We started two guys that were 5'8". We have 7 guys that are all 6'1" or taller that are 4 and 5 star studs that are much more talented than the two guys that started last year.

I think a lot of that had to do with the younger guys getting hurt and slowing their development of learning the system (we are only one of a few college programs that run a heavy amount of option routes so I having freshman contribute is rare).

So if we bench the two older guys, for the more talented youngsters, we could have a much more dynamic WR group.

You guys realize we had 3 5*s sitting on the bench last year at WR due to injuries?
Yep I did. Went through and watched several games and went through the entire depth chart and recruiting classes for every position. That's why I didn't know why you guys weren't better last year in the passing game. You guys have the talent but the production has yet to match the talent.
 
I haven't read much on FSU DL VS OM OL. I heard that OM lost its entire line plus Tunsils backup. If that's the case watch out. FSU started a whole new OL last year and no matter the talent level a completely overhauled line is trouble. Especially the first gm. Especially against theNoles DL.

DeMarcus Walker DE is top5-10 in the country. Josh Sweat DE is 5 star phenom in SO year. Derek Nnadi DT is potentially elite in his money year JR. The depth is there. Blitz packages are solid.

I'd like to read more aboutOM OL
Not true. Guard center guard are back and the RT started 7 games last year more or less. The LT will be new. We'll see. None of them will be true freshman and only one would have not played before.
 
Top Ole Miss RB Jordan Wilkins just ruled academically ineligible. Another casualty of the NCAA investigation, it appears.
Negative. Academic counselor error. Needless to say those option academic counselor position open at OM if you are interested. Plus I wouldn't call him are number 1 necessarily.
 
I haven't read much on FSU DL VS OM OL. I heard that OM lost its entire line plus Tunsils backup. If that's the case watch out. FSU started a whole new OL last year and no matter the talent level a completely overhauled line is trouble. Especially the first gm. Especially against theNoles DL.

DeMarcus Walker DE is top5-10 in the country. Josh Sweat DE is 5 star phenom in SO year. Derek Nnadi DT is potentially elite in his money year JR. The depth is there. Blitz packages are solid.

I'd like to read more aboutOM OL
Tunsil only started/played in 6 games i believe. We lost our tackles and a guard. One of the tackles we lost started for Tunsil the first 7 games and the guy starting in his place at RT during that time is going to be starting again this year so i'm not sure if you classify him as a new starter but he has plenty of experience. Our C, and 2 guards are very strong and capable with plenty of game experience. I'm worried about the LT position but if that gets worked out the line will be ok, not great but serviceable. Our offense tends to help with inexperienced lines since we move the pocket and use a lot of screens and read options. D-lines can't just throw their head back and come in screaming.
 
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Yep I did. Went through and watched several games and went through the entire depth chart and recruiting classes for every position. That's why I didn't know why you guys weren't better last year in the passing game. You guys have the talent but the production has yet to match the talent.

Got to have someone delivering the ball or WR talent is moot. And again, our most talented WRs on the roster (except Rudolph) were hurt last year and couldn't get on the field. I, along with most of Seminole nation, are expecting more production this year.

PS: Go braves.
 
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Got to have someone delivering the ball or WR talent is moot. And again, our most talented WRs on the roster (except Rudolph) were hurt last year and couldn't get on the field. I, along with most of Seminole nation, are expecting more production this year.

PS: Go braves.
Swanson looked good last night. Coppy has us moving in the right direction.
 
FSU is deeper than we are but not by as much as people would think. It's not like we haven't been recruiting elite talent as well. Plus people keep talking about turnovers as being fluckey plays. Turnovers win or loose games for teams every week. In fact I'll go as far as to say the winner of the tournover battle will win this game as well. We aren't good enough to win if we turn the ball over and neither is FSU. Turnovers and special teams will 100% play a HUGE role in this game. And we are better at QB. Fact. Chad Kelly on a bad day is the 3rd best QB in the country. The only player in SEC history to have a better season than he had last year was Johnny Football. Like him, love him or hate him Chad Kelly is a heck of a QB.

Curious who you are ranking as #1 and #2. Watson and Kaaya?
 
Just when I think we are moving in the right direction, and I offer you an olive branch of concession and compliments, and even belittle your instate rival for you, and yet you still respond like a dick. The only thing that is obvious to me is that you are a pompous ass. Pot meet kettle

I'll revert back to my troll title now for you and this will be my last post directed at you. If you want to hang your hat on freshman and recruiting rankings, we have more of them. Didn't hang my hat on freshmen or recruiting ranking nice strawman though



Ummmmm.... No you didn't. Are you confusing your roster with ours, because we actually did sign the best WR class in the country 2 years ago. There will not be a better group of WRs from the 16 class than ours you can take that to the bank.

Let's take a look,shall we? Per rivals database for last 3 classes:

2014:
OM signed 2 WRs
1 4* (#30 position ranking)
1 3* (#72 position ranking

FSU signed 3 WRs
2 5* (#1 and #5 position ranking)
1 4* (#42 position ranking)

2015:
OM signed 2 WRs
2 4* (#7 and #13 position ranking)

FSU signed 3 WRs
1 5* (#5 position ranking)
2 4* (#10 and #22 position ranking)

2016
OM signed 3 WRs
3 4* (9,14, 51 position rankings)

FSU signed 1 WR
1 4* (#32 position ranking)


In the past 3 classes FSU and OM have both signed a total of 7 WRs.

OM has zero 5*, six 4*, and one 3* for an average star rating of 3.85 and an average position ranking of 28 overall.

FSU has three 5*, four 4* and zero 3* for an average star rating of 4.42 and an average position ranking of 16.7.

Tell me again how much deeper and more talented that WR roster is again. FSU has almost 0.6 higher stars per player and a full 11.3 spot higher position ranking per player. I know top 10 recruiting classes is something new and novel around here, so you assume you have more talent than other programs, but we've been a top 5 recruiting machine for a long long time bud. Once your booster stimulus package runs up you will fall back into hoping for a top 20 class. Enjoy your 15 minutes, this may be the last year or two of relevance.

I find it amusing that even in your strawman arguement about rankings you conveniently managed to leave out our best WR Stringfellow and the most productive returning WR Adeboyejo. Perhaps that kind of oversight should give you an idea why you're wrong. As for your cheating smack, it's pretty weak coming from the original Free Shit University. I understand your felling though, Jimbo has been crying about Freeze stealing his guys (Pack, DJ Jones, Golson) for several years now.

For the rest of the rational OM posters, I am not in love with two of our starters from last year which is why I am willing to concede you have better WRs without even really knowing much about your returning players. We had shitty QB play last year to put it nicely. If some of our young 5* talent steps up, with better QB play we have the potential to have a better unit by mid-season, but not in week 1.

You have two good WRs (little though), a couple high ranked flops, and a few more high ranked that haven't done anything, yet

Your 15 class was great on paper but after one year, I have no more confidence in it than our 16 class.

Carry on.

Once I rose above the noise and confusion, just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion
 
I was afraid if one of our people carried on about our superior talent (at any position) too much that this would happen. That's why I tried to discourage thinking FSU WR talent was lacking. It's obviously not.

Didn't say they were lacking in talent, just not as good as ours and of course it would happen as FSU fans are extremely cocky and think there team is better than everyone at every position.

That said, FSU doesn't and likely won't have the more productive WR group b/c of two things that are fairly obvious. FSU RB strength and QB inexperience. So we can be correct about having the better producing group and FSU fan's touting talent can be correct.

I want someone to take a look at the strength of the passing offenses that FSU faced last year to see if some of their pass-d numbers might be impressive b/c the opposition's pass-o wasn't.
 
I haven't read much on FSU DL VS OM OL. I heard that OM lost its entire line plus Tunsils backup. If that's the case watch out. FSU started a whole new OL last year and no matter the talent level a completely overhauled line is trouble. Especially the first gm. Especially against theNoles DL.

DeMarcus Walker DE is top5-10 in the country. Josh Sweat DE is 5 star phenom in SO year. Derek Nnadi DT is potentially elite in his money year JR. The depth is there. Blitz packages are solid.

I'd like to read more aboutOM OL


We return 40% of the OL starts from last year.
We expect to be better/good G-C-G.
The question will be at two tackles.
IMO that will be the difference between a good offense and a top 5 offense.
Also there isn't a ton of depth on OL at this point so we cannot have injuries there.
 
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i think you were going for "Free Shoes University" which was a Spurriur quote. Yes, we had some players get a few pairs of free shoes from Nike when we signed our Nike deal over 20 years ago. That is allowable now and athletes get free clothing and training gear.

Never been on probation. Never been caught paying players. But I bet that joke goes over real well in the employee lounge at Walmart there is Mississippi though. Talk all the shit you want, but Bobby Bowden won with class and dignity and he ran one of the cleanest programs in the entire country. Your program is a running joke amongst the whole of college football for cheating. Must really speak volumes about how attractive your school is when you actually sign a couple 5 stars and everyone in the entire country knows you had to have cheated immediately. Our suspicions have since been proven true. For as arrogant and cocky as you are, I would hate for you to be a fan of a team that actually mattered and had rings becuase it would be unbearable. You haven't even won so much as a conference championship since the sport was integrated.

Sorry for stooping to that for the rest of you that have been civil, this guy is just annoying the shit out of me and I couldn't bite my tongue any longer. I came here paying the proper respect and was trying to be objective. I should have ignored the troll job that I recognized early on, but I got sucked in. A little dissapointed in myself for that one.

We got some good chalk talk in while it lasted but I'm going to head back to our boards. Thank you to those that participated. I gained some good insight and will keep my eye on that Conner kid. See you boys in Orlando, good luck the rest of the year. And please, kick the shit out of Florida the next time you play them.
 
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i think you were going for "Free Shoes University" which was a Spurriur quote. Yes, we had some players get a few pairs of free shoes from Nike when we signed our Nike deal over 20 years ago. That is allowable now and athletes get free clothing and training gear.

Never been on probation. Never been caught paying players. But I bet that joke goes over real well in the employee lounge at Walmart there is Mississippi though. Talk all the shit you want, but Bobby Bowden won with class and dignity and he ran one of the cleanest programs in the entire country. Your program is a running joke amongst the whole of college football for cheating. Must really speak volumes about how attractive your school is when you actually sign a couple 5 stars and everyone in the entire country knows you had to have cheated immediately. Our suspicions have since been proven true. For as arrogant and cocky as you are, I would hate for you to be a fan of a team that actually mattered and had rings becuase it would be unbearable. You haven't even won so much as a conference championship since the sport was integrated.

Sorry for stooping to that for the rest of you that have been civil, this guy is just annoying the shit out of me and I couldn't bite my tongue any longer. I came here paying the proper respect and was trying to be objective. I should have ignored the troll job that I recognized early on, but I got sucked in. A little dissapointed in myself for that one.

We got some good chalk talk in while it lasted but I'm going to head back to our boards. Thank you to those that participated. I gained some good insight and will keep my eye on that Conner kid. See you boys in Orlando, good luck the rest of the year. And please, kick the shit out of Florida the next time you play them.

Haven't read all that yet, but yeah I knew it was free shoes but felt like that didn't adequately represent all the free stuff opportunities offered, so I upgrade it to free shit U
 
i think you were going for "Free Shoes University" which was a Spurriur quote. Yes, we had some players get a few pairs of free shoes from Nike when we signed our Nike deal over 20 years ago. That is allowable now and athletes get free clothing and training gear.

Never been on probation. Never been caught paying players. But I bet that joke goes over real well in the employee lounge at Walmart there is Mississippi though. Talk all the shit you want, but Bobby Bowden won with class and dignity and he ran one of the cleanest programs in the entire country. Your program is a running joke amongst the whole of college football for cheating. Must really speak volumes about how attractive your school is when you actually sign a couple 5 stars and everyone in the entire country knows you had to have cheated immediately. Our suspicions have since been proven true. For as arrogant and cocky as you are, I would hate for you to be a fan of a team that actually mattered and had rings becuase it would be unbearable. You haven't even won so much as a conference championship since the sport was integrated.

Sorry for stooping to that for the rest of you that have been civil, this guy is just annoying the shit out of me and I couldn't bite my tongue any longer. I came here paying the proper respect and was trying to be objective. I should have ignored the troll job that I recognized early on, but I got sucked in. A little dissapointed in myself for that one.

We got some good chalk talk in while it lasted but I'm going to head back to our boards. Thank you to those that participated. I gained some good insight and will keep my eye on that Conner kid. See you boys in Orlando, good luck the rest of the year. And please, kick the shit out of Florida the next time you play them.

Now that I have read the rest, lol

Your true colors came out. You tried to fake being humble and inquisitive while taking subtle jabs but in the end when faced with facts and reality you reverted to your real personality.

It is funny that you think when someone disagrees with your arrogance that you are being trolled. Head back to your board where the rest of your sheep can pat each other on the back and agree they're the greatest ever.
 
:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy: Okay......you have a good day now.
You know, if I wanted to be a smartass, I could put a bunch of laughing/crying faces up at the very notion of Ole Miss being in FSU's league. But since I'm such a nice guy, and since I'm on your board, I won't. But I would be happy to compare the recent history (last 30 or 40 years) between the two programs and see which program has accomplished more. If you want to go there, that is. ;)
 
Agreed on the first few points, but Clemson is the best team on our schedule and it ain't close.

We can compliment our Missisippi friends here without being disingenuous haha

Is it really that disingenuous? If you are basing it on last year's results, last year Bama beat Clemson in a thrilling, close game on a neutral field and Ole Miss beat Bama in a thrilling game in Tuscaloosa, that at one point almost turned into a blow out.

If Ole Miss brings their A+ game to Orlando, it will be the best team you see all year.
 
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Receptions:

Returning FSU players with at least 10 receptions:

NAME REC YDS AVG LONG TD
Travis Rudolph (WR) 59 916 15.5 75 (TD) 7
Kermit Whitfield (WR) 57 798 14.0 70 (TD) 6
Jesus Wilson (WR) 58 622 10.7 51 3
Dalvin Cook (RB) 24 244 10.2 36 (TD) 1
Ryan Izzo (TE) 14 210 15.0 37 2

Returning Ole Miss players with at least 10 receptions:

NAME REC YDS AVG LONG TD
Quincy Adeboyejo (WR) 38 604 15.9 68 (TD) 7
Damore'ea Stringfellow (WR) 36 503 14.0 36 (TD) 5
Evan Engram (TE) 38 464 12.2 36 (TD) 2
Markell Pack (WR) 31 380 12.3 66 (TD) 3

Other FSU players expecting to contribute:

WR:
1. Auden Tate (6-5, 218) - Big 4 star who dominated spring practice.
2. Nyqwan Murray (5-11, 179) - 3 star who is really "standing out" in camp.
3. George Campbell (6-4, 192) - 5 star who is getting some 1st team reps.
4. Ermon Lane (6-3, 203) - 5 star, but he struggled last year.
5. Ja'Vonn Harrison (6-2, 196) - 4 star, but seems buried in depth chart
6. Da'Vante Phillips (6-1, 204) - 4 star, but seems buried in depth chart

TE:
1. Mavin Saunders (6-5, 253) - 4 star who has all the tools but needs to be consistent.
2. Jeremy Kerr (6-6, 250) - 3 star who specializes in blocking, but caught a TD against UF.
3. Jalen Wilkerson (6-4, 253) - 3 star injured last year.

I didn't list our freshmen.

Rushing:

Returning FSU players with at least 100 yards:

Dalvin Cook 229 1691 7.4 94 (TD) 19
Jacques Patrick 63 314 5.0 28 (TD) 5
Johnathan Vickers 23 111 4.8 26 1

Returning Ole Miss players with at least 100 yards:

Chad Kelly 107 500 4.7 43 10
Akeem Judd 77 421 5.5 27 (TD) 3
Eugene Brazley 22 222 10.1 78 (TD) 3

Other FSU players expecting to contribute:

1. Ryan Green (5-11, 205) - High 4 star who has had a career of injuries but had a great spring. "Has speed, size, and nice hands out of the backfield.”

I didn't list our freshman or our FB's.
 
You know, if I wanted to be a smartass, I could put a bunch of laughing/crying faces up at the very notion of Ole Miss being in FSU's league. But since I'm such a nice guy, and since I'm on your board, I won't. But I would be happy to compare the recent history (last 30 or 40 years) between the two programs and see which program has accomplished more. If you want to go there, that is. ;)
Sadly you actually believe anything that went on 1 year or 40 years ago will save you from the hell that is about to be unleashed. Ole Miss may not win but you can be damn sure your pansy ass team will know they played somebody. Now run along and tell your mom/sister/wife or who ever you hold dear, to head to Orlando Labor day weekend and find themselves a real man. They will be wearing red and blue.
 
Receptions:

Returning FSU players with at least 10 receptions:

NAME REC YDS AVG LONG TD
Travis Rudolph (WR) 59 916 15.5 75 (TD) 7
Kermit Whitfield (WR) 57 798 14.0 70 (TD) 6
Jesus Wilson (WR) 58 622 10.7 51 3
Dalvin Cook (RB) 24 244 10.2 36 (TD) 1
Ryan Izzo (TE) 14 210 15.0 37 2

Returning Ole Miss players with at least 10 receptions:

NAME REC YDS AVG LONG TD
Quincy Adeboyejo (WR) 38 604 15.9 68 (TD) 7
Damore'ea Stringfellow (WR) 36 503 14.0 36 (TD) 5
Evan Engram (TE) 38 464 12.2 36 (TD) 2
Markell Pack (WR) 31 380 12.3 66 (TD) 3

Other FSU players expecting to contribute:

WR:
1. Auden Tate (6-5, 218) - Big 4 star who dominated spring practice.
2. Nyqwan Murray (5-11, 179) - 3 star who is really "standing out" in camp.
3. George Campbell (6-4, 192) - 5 star who is getting some 1st team reps.
4. Ermon Lane (6-3, 203) - 5 star, but he struggled last year.
5. Ja'Vonn Harrison (6-2, 196) - 4 star, but seems buring in depth chart
6. Da'Vante Phillips (6-1, 204) - 4 star, but seems buring in depth chart

TE:
1. Mavin Saunders (6-5, 253) - 4 star who has all the tools, but needs to be consistent.
2. Jeremy Kerr (6-6, 250) - 3 star who specializes in blocking, but caught a TD against UF.
3. Jalen Wilkerson (6-4, 253) - 3 star injured last year.

I didn't list our freshmen.

Rushing:

Returning FSU players with at least 100 yards:

Dalvin Cook 229 1691 7.4 94 (TD) 19
Jacques Patrick 63 314 5.0 28 (TD) 5
Johnathan Vickers 23 111 4.8 26 1

Returning Ole Miss players with at least 100 yards:

Chad Kelly 107 500 4.7 43 10
Akeem Judd 77 421 5.5 27 (TD) 3
Eugene Brazley 22 222 10.1 78 (TD) 3

Other FSU players expecting to contribute:

1. Ryan Green (5-11, 205) - High 4 star who has had a career of injuries but had a great spring. "Has speed, size, and nice hands out of the backfield.”

I didn't list our freshman or our FB's.
But you are comparing apples to dog crap because you play in the ACC. Your stats are inflated lol
 
From this statement forward your opinion is null and void because you are clearly mental
Yeah. Clearly. So what exactly was it that made ole miss so much better than Houston? Was it that awesome game against Memphis (a team Houston beat using a back up QB)? Or was it that awesome loss to powerhouse Arkansas? Or, was it that 38-10 shellacking against that sucky Florida team that FSU beat 27-2 in the swamp? Or was it the 10-3 record? Since when is 10-3 better than 13-1??

Yeah buddy! I'm clearly the mental one here.
 
Sadly you actually believe anything that went on 1 year or 40 years ago will save you from the hell that is about to be unleashed. Ole Miss may not win but you can be damn sure your pansy ass team will know they played somebody. Now run along and tell your mom/sister/wife or who ever you hold dear, to head to Orlando Labor day weekend and find themselves a real man. They will be wearing red and blue.
ESAD punk. And, pansy ass team???? Lol If FSU brings their A game they will truck ole miss so hard YOUR butthole will feel it for a month!
 
But you are comparing apples to dog crap because you play in the ACC. Your stats are inflated lol

Actually, I was just posting statistics and returning players for both teams.

I also thought Ole Miss fans might want to know some other FSU players who might contribute to receiving and rushing.

FSU typically plays a strong "schedule" (compare term with "conference").
 
But you are comparing apples to dog crap because you play in the ACC. Your stats are inflated lol
Doesn't matter what conference FSU is from, or which one ole miss is from. FSU could be in the Mountain West and still be better than ole miss. You think being in the $ec makes ole miss better by default? Lol! Sure thing buddy!
 
Doesn't matter what conference FSU is from, or which one ole miss is from. FSU could be in the Mountain West and still be better than ole miss. You think being in the $ec makes ole miss better by default? Lol! Sure thing buddy!

Might want to tone it down. This is the Ole Miss board. You are a guest.
 
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